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Unexplained events and mysteries

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As somebody who loves puzzles I also like the challenge to solve unexplained stuff. Internet is a great place to access a collective brains trust to help solve real life mysteries.

So here's one unexplained event to get the ball rolling.

On June 28th, 2001, radio broadcaster William Cooper was playing his weekly program The Hour of the Time. A little past his 58th birthday and drinking heavily, Cooper was doing his program from a studio he’d built in the den of his house at 96 North Clearview Circle, atop a hill in the small White Mountains town of Eagar, Arizona, 15 miles from the New Mexico line.

“Can you believe what you have been seeing on CNN today, ladies and gentlemen?” Cooper asked the Hour of the Time audience that evening.

“Supposedly, a CNN reporter found Osama bin Laden, took a television camera crew with him, and interviewed him and his top leadership, lieutenants, and his colonels, and generals…in their hideout!

“Now don’t you think that’s kind of strange, folks?” Cooper asked with his signature chuckle. “Because the largest intelligence apparatus in the world, with the biggest budget in the history of world, has been looking for Osama bin Laden for years, and years, and years, and can’t find him!

“But some doofus jerk‐off reporter with his little camera crew waltzes right into his secret hideout and interviews him!”

This meant one of two things, Cooper told the audience. Either “everyone in the intelligence community and all the intelligence agencies of the United States government are blithering idiots and incompetent fools, or they’re lying to us.”

The fact was, Cooper told the audience, no one in the U.S. intelligence services was really looking for Osama bin Laden. They knew where he was. They had since the beginning of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Bin Laden, along with his entire family, was a wholly owned subsidiary of the Central Intelligence Agency.

“They created him. They’re the ones funding him. They supported him to make their new utopian worlds…and he has served them well.” There were rumors floating around the mass media that bin Laden was planning attacks on the United States and Israel, but this was just subterfuge, Cooper said. “If Osama bin Laden is an enemy of Israel, don’t you think the Mossad would have taken care of that a long time ago?” Cooper asked.

Something else was in the wind. There was no other reason for the government to allow the CNN report but to further stamp bin Laden’s bearded, pointy face upon the collective American mind‐set. Bogeyman of the moment, the Saudi prince was being readied for his close‐up.

“I’m telling you to be prepared for a major attack!” Cooper declared. The target would be a large American city.

“Something terrible is going to happen in this country. And whatever is going to happen they’re going to blame on Osama bin Laden. Don’t you even believe it.”

Two and a half months later, on September 11th, 2001, after two commercial airliners flew into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in a cataclysm that killed 2,996 people, including 343 New York City Fire Department personnel, Cooper’s prediction came to pass.

By the time Cooper got on the air that morning, the towers had already fallen. Several hours passed before the name Osama bin Laden surfaced on the BBC feed Cooper was monitoring. The British station, which Cooper regarded as marginally more reliable than the American networks, was doing an interview with the former Israeli Prime Minister General Ehud Barak and Richard Perle, chairman of George W. Bush’s Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee.


Widely known as the Prince of Darkness, in part for his Reagan‐era support of Edward Teller’s $100 billion Strategic Defense Initiative, known as Star Wars, Perle said the attacks on New York and Washington were “clearly an act of war.”

“All our Western civilization is under attack,” Barak put in. The interviewer asked Perle if he thought the United States would be justified in firing cruise missiles at Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan. Perle, who along with fellow neocons Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Donald Rumsfeld would soon push hard for the reinvasion of Iraq, answered in the affirmative.

The Afghani authorities had “allowed Osama bin Laden to operate in their territory,” Perle said. That alone was reason enough for a military strike. Bin Laden was involved, no doubt about it. Yes, Barak agreed, there was “every reason to believe” bin Laden was behind the attack.

It was then Cooper interrupted the transmission, shouting, “How do they know who did it?

“If the United States government had no warning like they say, if they didn’t know who was going to mount these attacks, and there are no survivors from the people in these planes, how do they know Osama bin Laden is behind it?”

So, yet again, Cooper was right. Events were transpiring exactly as his research had indicated. Osama bin Laden, the Saudi mama’s‐boy prince, was about to be officially blamed for the most spectacular foreign attack on America since Pearl Harbor.

Not that Cooper was gloating about his latest successful prediction. What had happened in New York City — thousands dead, their bodies crushed beneath tons of twisted rubble, a toxic cloud rising over the metropolis — was just the beginning of a new torrent of death. On the radio feed, Perle and Barak were discussing logistics; Afghanistan would be a target, possibly, Iraq as well.

“How can they determine that they should bomb Afghanistan?” Cooper shouted with alarm. “Who are we going to be bombing? The terrorists, or the innocent people of Kabul?”

Cooper made another prediction. “Folks, I can assure you that 72 hours from now we will be at war. We will be bombing two or maybe three countries….Because that’s how it works. When governments are attacked, they lash out. Thousands of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with what is happening at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are going to die.

“Nothing will be the same after today,” Cooper said grimly.

“Get ready for it, folks, because that’s what you’re going to be hearing in the next weeks and months on radio and television: Nothing will be the same after today….Because I’ll tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that’s what the people who really did this want you to think, that nothing, nothing, will be the same after today.

“And you know what? They’re right. They’re telling the truth about that. Within weeks the Congress will pass draconian legislation aimed at restricting the rights of American citizens. You’re going to have surveillance cameras on every street corner. You think your phones are being tapped now, just wait.

“No one is going to gain from this except a very small group of people. Everyone else will lose. No one will lose more than the American people.” This would be the most grievous casualty of the 9/11 attacks, Cooper told the audience, the nation itself, the America that could have been.

Freedom, the most elusive of qualities, best distilled in the inspired documents of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, had been dealt a fatal blow: “From now on, freedom will be whatever the law allows you to do.”

That wasn’t going to stop him, Cooper told listeners. He’d stay behind his microphone up in his hilltop studio. He’d keep sending out The Hour of the Time, speaking truth to the ultimate power, if it was the last thing he did.

It was soon after that Cooper’s final prediction came true.

“They’re going to kill me, ladies and gentlemen,” he told the audience. “They’re going to come up here in the middle of the night, and shoot me dead, right on my doorstep.”

And, around midnight on November 5th, 2001, less than two months after the 9/11 attacks, that’s exactly what happened.

After the tragic events of September 11 unfolded, Cooper’s radio show attempted to expose the the massive conspiracy that led to the attacks.
He pointed his finger at the Federal Government, accusing the authorities of planning the terrorist move and duping America’s citizens and the rest of the world into believing a fabricated story. This allowed them to sway public opinion in their favor and execute their plan.
In his final broadcast, on November 5, 2011, Bill Cooper talked about planning to write a book detailing his tour of duty in Vietnam. He said he was dedicating it to everyone who had served during the war.
Later that evening, while he was in his home in Eagar, Arizona, the Apache County Sheriff’s Department paid him a visit. He had been accused of brandishing a gun around and the police officers had a warrant for his arrest.
However, the officers pulled up in unmarked vehicles, without wearing uniforms, and used trickery to draw him out.
Sources claim the officers positioned themselves in a cul-de-sac often frequented by teenagers who would party and leave trash behind. The officers began making a lot of noise and Cooper came out to confront them, believing they were nothing more than drunken juveniles.
The officers would not identify themselves so Cooper threatened to call the police. As he was heading back inside, shots were fired.
The outcome saw a police officer being killed, but so was Cooper. Nobody knows who fired the first shot and it is unclear whether Bill Cooper carried a gun at the time of his death.
The Granddaddy of American Conspiracy Theorists
https://music.amazon.com/es-cl/podc...udio-bill-cooper's-epic-9-11-broadcast-part-1
 
So who was Milton William Cooper?

Public records only indicate a period of service in the Navy with a ratings code of E-5/Sergeant (Petty officer second class in the Navy), including a tour of duty in Vietnam with two service medals. At the end of the war, while working in naval intelligence, Cooper served on a briefing team for Admiral Bernard A. Clarey. He then attended a junior college in California, and worked for several technical and vocational schools before becoming a conspiracy theorist known, beginning in 1988.
Milton William Cooper - Wikipedia

So how did he know so much about the events of 9-11? and was it a coincidence he was shot by the police only a few months later in November 2001?
 
Is it true that “Supposedly, a CNN reporter found Osama bin Laden, took a television camera crew with him, and interviewed him and his top leadership, lieutenants, and his colonels, and generals…in their hideout!" This was during the man-hunt for Osama bin Laden with the CIA and other agencies trying to locate him and his hideout. Truth or myth?

A.I. answer:

No, the statement that a CNN reporter found Osama bin Laden and interviewed him and his top leadership in their hideout during the manhunt is not true.
Here's why:
  • CNN did interview Osama bin Laden, but not during the intense manhunt after 9/11: CNN correspondent Peter Arnett interviewed Bin Laden in 1997, several years before the September 11th attacks and the subsequent manhunt for him.
  • The interview wasn't a "discovery" of his hideout: Arnett and his crew were blindfolded and taken to a remote location in Afghanistan for the interview. This suggests that bin Laden's location remained largely clandestine during the period of the interview.
  • The quote is linked to a conspiracy theorist: The quoted statement appears to be from conspiracy theorist William Cooper, who, according to Rolling Stone, spread misinformation and conspiracy theories.
In summary, a CNN reporter did interview Osama bin Laden before 9/11, but the idea of a reporter finding him during the post-9/11 manhunt and interviewing him and his entire leadership in their hideout is a myth and misinformation.
 
Not much of a fan of conspiracy theories, often a bit too dramatic to swallow. However I do have one lingering question ever since my days in college, many years ago.

When an esteemed professor of 20th century Russian History talked about his experience as a gifted student in England, being granted study access to some of Britain's most guarded documents. He happened onto information about Rudolf Hess, the one time party deputy to Adolf Hitler who chose to pilot a plane to Britain in 1941, in a bizarre attempt to negotiate peace between Nazi Germany and Great Britain.

It seemed the authorities weren't very happy with him accessing such information, and despite all the vetting he went through they escorted him out of the facilities, much like a bouncer being driven from a pub.

Though the point of him recollecting this story was to emphasize all the controversy and mystery not only surrounding Hess himself, but in how the British authorities handled it all. And that agents of the Soviet NKVD may have "intervened" in some way, being so alarmed at the possibility of Britain aligning itself with Germany against Russia.

What really makes such speculation so interesting is to consider four years later, when Rudolf Hess was made to stand trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity given his role in the Nazi Party prior to his flight to Britain. Whose appearance seemed somewhat different in only four years of relatively comfortable incarceration during the war. More so that in his trial at Nuremberg, Hess seemed absurdly incoherent as if he had lost his mind, apart from his change in appearance.

Despite all this, the man was convicted and was the only Nuremberg defendant sentenced to life imprisonment at Spandau Prison in Berlin. Who ultimately became the last prisoner so elaborately guarded by American, Russian, British and French guards who changed on a quarterly basis. Right up to August 1987, when Hess was allegedly found dead, as a suicide after some four attempts over the years.

What seems to linger here based on my history professor's personal experiences is whether or not this man really was Rudolf Hess, or an imposter. And if so, who was ultimately responsible.

All to conceal an alleged possibility that in fact Great Britain may have been "on the fence" of aligning with Germany against Russia. And whether Hess committed suicide, or was murdered in the name of political expediency. And perhaps that most of all, that both nations seem to be quite reticent to discuss the matter with any sincerity over time.

One thing for sure, Great Britain tends to guard "state secrets" far better than their American counterparts. And lest we forget to this very day, Russian-British relations remain tenuous at best. With neither nation wanting to bring up such things that happened so long ago. -Whatever it is that actually happened.

https://www.historicmysteries.com/history/rudolf-hess-death/31414/
 
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Familiar with above have been for many years. Long before conspiracies became popular. War was eighty years ago I'm seventy do the math. pretty sure Hess died from old age in his ninties, DNA showed no impostor. I like the old days when news were facts.
 
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In summary, a CNN reporter did interview Osama bin Laden before 9/11, but the idea of a reporter finding him during the post-9/11 manhunt and interviewing him and his entire leadership in their hideout is a myth and misinformation.
well that does settle one item of the claims, now how about the elephant in the room, Cooper's inside knowledge?
 
Rudolph Hess himself was an enigma. I wonder if he was being targeted by on or more of Hitler's inner circle? there was a lot of competition to be in Hitler's good books. He was certainly a target of derision and criticism from figures like Göring and Goebbels. Why? While Rudolf Hess was married to Ilse Pröhl and had a son, some historical sources suggest he had a history of homosexual encounters, particularly in the gay subculture of Berlin during the Weimar era. So he might have been fortunate to have survived given the purge of Ernst Rohm.

He was being sidelined closer to the outbreak of war indicating his main value was as a political apparatchik becoming a somewhat useless role once the Nazis has absolute power. His military experience was as a infantryman in world war I so perhaps lacking leadership skills in wartime he accepted a suicide role on a peace mission to appease Churchill to pull Britain out of the war, knowing if he failed he would be incarcerated in a British prison.
 
well that does settle one item of the claims, now how about the elephant in the room, Cooper's inside knowledge?
What "inside knowledge" would that be? From that narrative, he was simply putting circumstances together on his own, some real, some made up, and coming up with some potential predictions and theories. This is what conspiracy theorists do, quite literally. Whether or not predictions and theories come true or not is not relevant...and certainly doesn't make them a source of credible information.
 
We have such an event unfolding before us right now. This Epstein "is / was or isn't / wasn't" debacle is going on 24/7 lately.

The biggest facts are about all you need to understand it's a dumpster fire: Epstein was some guy who suddenly became a billionaire, but no one knows or just won't profess as to how it happened. Epstein had an island that tons of celebrities went to, and everyone kept very quiet about anything that occurred there. There's a list of all of these people. Supposedly, all kinds of deviancy and debauchery went on there. It was enough illegally that he and his girlfriend went to prison over it. The man dies by way of the sketchiest details you can imagine. Years later, and with many officials trying to release sealed documents / facts of the case, it is now revealed that they were never questioned about anything at all. Some officials are trying to cover it up or call it fake news, etc.

All the while, anyone with just a fraction of common sense is calling BS, demanding or digging in for the facts....and the official response from certain higher ups (that everyone knows has to be implicated) is that "we're" all the stupid people, even for simply having interest in it. There's evidence all over the place that points to pretty spot on conclusions, but nah, we're all apparently just morons.

These same people that think those of us are idiots....better never again for a split second ever wonder why we don't trust them or anyone in their positions.
 
What "inside knowledge" would that be? From that narrative, he was simply putting circumstances together on his own, some real, some made up, and coming up with some potential predictions and theories. This is what conspiracy theorists do, quite literally. Whether or not predictions and theories come true or not is not relevant...and certainly doesn't make them a source of credible information.
He got a lot of details right though, are you suggesting he was just throwing random things at a wall to see what stuck? and it wasn't just details, the timing was curious. > mere random chance.
 
All the while, anyone with just a fraction of common sense is calling BS, demanding or digging in for the facts....and the official response from certain higher ups (that everyone knows has to be implicated) is that "we're" all the stupid people, even for simply having interest in it. There's evidence all over the place that points to pretty spot on conclusions, but nah, we're all apparently just morons.

These same people that think those of us are idiots....better never again for a split second ever wonder why we don't trust them or anyone in their positions.
I classify Epstein's case with the JFK assassination. the critical issue is how many people did Epstein have dirt on and what potential damage would it cause. It may be possible dirt won't be "leaked" till the people involved have passed away but it could also be forever locked away in the basement of the FBI along with dirt the FBI had on Kennedy, MLK and other prominent people.
 
He got a lot of details right though, are you suggesting he was just throwing random things at a wall to see what stuck? and it wasn't just details, the timing was curious. > mere random chance.
It's the same techniques these so-called "psychics" and "ghost whisperers" use to "miraculously" obtain information that "they couldn't possibly know". It's the same techniques police profilers use. These people are exceptionally intuitive and can recognize behavioral patterns...usually recruited for intelligence field work. Instead...sometimes...they become conspiracy theorists...driven on searching for every little detail, event, quote, etc to prove some sort of theory they might have...often quite obsessed, driven, and convinced. They gain a following on their Podcasts, YouTube channel, social media...and people believe them. Basically, a convincing charlatan.
 
It's the same techniques these so-called "psychics" and "ghost whisperers" use to "miraculously" obtain information that "they couldn't possibly know". It's the same techniques police profilers use. These people are exceptionally intuitive and can recognize behavioral patterns...usually recruited for intelligence field work. Instead...sometimes...they become conspiracy theorists...driven on searching for every little detail, event, quote, etc to prove some sort of theory they might have...often quite obsessed, driven, and convinced. They gain a following on their Podcasts, YouTube channel, social media...and people believe them. Basically, a convincing charlatan.
I'm thinking something more prosaic. Many conspiracy types who constantly publish or broadcast governments withholding information from the public get tip offs from whistleblowers. Somebody working in intelligence with an axe to grind or facing an ethical dilemma about innocent people at risk might have decided to divulge Bin Laden going rogue (Bin Laden had a CIA handler much like Lee Harvey Oswald did).
 
Looking at my DNA, seeing some strange stuff most popular surname is Minderhoud yet not one on my family tree.
Second most popular surname Verhulst, Go to Verhulst web site, Zeeman does not turn up on search. Even my mother's dad family married into the Verhulst family could explain why both my parents had AB positive blood type,
 
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DNA tests (even taking into account their questionable accuracy) often reveal incongruent ancestry to family stories and surnames. I do remember some celebrity with a German surname did a DNA test on the program "who do you think you are" and found they had only English and Irish and 0% German.
 
THE DNA test I've seen and done in my family looks remarkably accurate, having spent a career doing lab work and trained as a quality engineer do I not question the results accuracy, genealogy so far matches family members that have been tested for DNA. Every thing Seen so far fits, Sure Their could be breaks in the chain Cannot test relatives who have passed years ago. Have noticed most people do DNA for specific reasons usually have short trees few names I was looking for connection to Pieter Zeeman, found seventeen of them including a Peter. 3rd cousin, suspect his grand dad is the Pieter I seek. Anomaly was fourth cousin 38,000 connections why. found out she was following my grand mothers family. This lead me to the da VInci code. This plus the stroke messages while asleep and my unique proven ability to solve intractable puzzles. makes this worthy for me to pursue. Do not care what other think, no reputation to protect, just curious. The truth matters to me even if uncomfortable to some.
 
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All I know AB positive blood is very rare in Europe at most only 2000 years old or less. Verhulst family concentrated in Belgium and France, AB blood first mixed in middle east A European, B Asian weird lots of AB in Korea, and Pakistan. The fact that a major religious figure could have had this blood type, been married had descendants who carry this blood type as a marker is quite the puzzle. Possibly explains message You are the messenger, I received a while ago or a further message trust in me or initial message waking from stroke information is what you seek. Which I understood was related to my interest in physics.
 
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Yes AB is typically higher in east Asians. Interestingly I have congenital dermal melanocytotis on my chest which is exclusively found east Asians and smaller numbers of Middle eastern and African people, but my DNA test shows zero % ancestry from east Asian or Middle eastern or African?
 
Fortunately one of my my brother's has B blood type curious to see if he has any Asian DNA, I do not. crude way to check this hypothesis ,have to wait a day to get his report. Out of my five siblings four share AB with me one has B another has A.I gave B a test kit for situations like this. Just checked I share DNA with two individuals from Japan and one from Indonesia. Expect many more for my brother. Really like Myheritage. so much data. So well organized.
 
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