Dagan
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I constantly go back and forth with how every major religion claims their one, true god is a perfect being (the long defined term of "perfect" that is). Then, I read said texts cover-to-cover, and they're full of things said god didn't know, mistakes made, failures to maintain order, etc. That's not the definition of perfection - not even close. It's simpler than that, though. In a much more foundational, from the start, kind of baseline logic, it's quite simple and easy to understand. "Perfection" does not need, does not want, does not consider, does not ponder, does not ask anything, does not require or desire anything, etc. etc. etc. A perfect being would have no reason to create a single thing at all. It would be "perfectly" content with itself. Thus, said religions claiming any of this are claiming that a paradox exits. A paradox is when factual statements rule each other out - as in how a perfect god "of creation" rules itself and any of its doings completely null.
The only way I have come to find that any being can be perfect and still make mistakes would be to redefine the term. To be perfect, as has always been defined, is to be flawless - without faults. The new definition of perfect would have to take on the meaning / nature of infinity and absolute balance. This gets scientific and rather quantum, so I don't expect most religious folks to buy into it...but they should....because it would then make way more sense and in comparison to ever once having to take a leap of faith and believe what doesn't make sense or raises doubt in however many ways. Stay with me. I'll clarify:
If "perfect" would instead expressly mean "absolute balance," then that would lend credence to not just the idea of a perfect god but also many of the countless scriptures out there. Absolutely balanced would have to mean that infinite positives AND infinite negatives would be possible and occur from said being / god. That alone already makes the verse of a god claiming itself to be the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end (basically the best thing that could ever happen, but it could also be the worst thing that could ever happen) all of it to make exponentially more sense. Such a redefining of "perfect" makes for understanding how a supposedly perfect being can create things so amazing and so intricately designed....and yet still get things wrong in just as incredible ways. This one revisionist way of thinking can be applied to all other scriptures / texts and make them far more believable. They will still all come across like a parent telling its children, "do as I say...not as I do," but it does help.
Otherwise...there's only one other way that I can reason a perfect god....and that is by (re)determining WHAT it is, compared to anything / everything that has only ever been written (or wrongly translated and therefore preached as proper interpretation). I could only conclude one thing - god is "sentience" itself - ALL sentience from since forever, and it is constantly being added to, as every living thing in existence (anywhere) learns, experiences, comes to know (even by way of mistakes or sheer stupidity) - it keeps expanding and growing to become more. This is what we know of the universe itself, too. It is constantly expanding. Think again of the popular scriptures....God knows everything - god is all-knowing (god is ALL knowing / knowledge). If god is simply the entirety / overall collective of "sentience," then it is truly knowledgeable of everything and always will be (as it happens, even). God is knowledge. Technically, one could call such a "being" to be the baseline definition of perfect because it is what it is and needs or wants nothing, but it can and does keep growing and becoming greater, staying above and beyond anything anyone can fathom. It doesn't require anything or need to reason any of what exists. Itself just "is" due to mere existence alone. To seek said god makes quite a lot more sense in this context, too. Everyone should seek to know better, be better and do better. How do we become as such? We learn to be. We question as needed and therefore learn more. It hopefully leads to better things, but even if it doesn't, the results still teach / learn however many of us otherwise. One last aspect to this "theory" if you will, though. This might blow your mind a little. There's always the question of any god that arises, as to how it all began. What was the beginning of it all? What was the big bang!? In this context..........it's simple..................the first question was asked......"what / how / why???" and BANG, what began could not be stopped. It only ever leads to more and more questions. It only ever leads to more and more learning. Questioning / seeking greater knowledge leads to experiments, creations, destructions, just everything. Everything.
These thoughts are what I have been contemplating for the past year. It's all because of what might be perfect or what might be paradox. I asked the question and have sought answer(s). I don't claim any of this to be fully set or the only conclusions that I will only live according to, though. I'm just putting it out there for anyone else to ponder, if you wish to.
The only way I have come to find that any being can be perfect and still make mistakes would be to redefine the term. To be perfect, as has always been defined, is to be flawless - without faults. The new definition of perfect would have to take on the meaning / nature of infinity and absolute balance. This gets scientific and rather quantum, so I don't expect most religious folks to buy into it...but they should....because it would then make way more sense and in comparison to ever once having to take a leap of faith and believe what doesn't make sense or raises doubt in however many ways. Stay with me. I'll clarify:
If "perfect" would instead expressly mean "absolute balance," then that would lend credence to not just the idea of a perfect god but also many of the countless scriptures out there. Absolutely balanced would have to mean that infinite positives AND infinite negatives would be possible and occur from said being / god. That alone already makes the verse of a god claiming itself to be the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end (basically the best thing that could ever happen, but it could also be the worst thing that could ever happen) all of it to make exponentially more sense. Such a redefining of "perfect" makes for understanding how a supposedly perfect being can create things so amazing and so intricately designed....and yet still get things wrong in just as incredible ways. This one revisionist way of thinking can be applied to all other scriptures / texts and make them far more believable. They will still all come across like a parent telling its children, "do as I say...not as I do," but it does help.
Otherwise...there's only one other way that I can reason a perfect god....and that is by (re)determining WHAT it is, compared to anything / everything that has only ever been written (or wrongly translated and therefore preached as proper interpretation). I could only conclude one thing - god is "sentience" itself - ALL sentience from since forever, and it is constantly being added to, as every living thing in existence (anywhere) learns, experiences, comes to know (even by way of mistakes or sheer stupidity) - it keeps expanding and growing to become more. This is what we know of the universe itself, too. It is constantly expanding. Think again of the popular scriptures....God knows everything - god is all-knowing (god is ALL knowing / knowledge). If god is simply the entirety / overall collective of "sentience," then it is truly knowledgeable of everything and always will be (as it happens, even). God is knowledge. Technically, one could call such a "being" to be the baseline definition of perfect because it is what it is and needs or wants nothing, but it can and does keep growing and becoming greater, staying above and beyond anything anyone can fathom. It doesn't require anything or need to reason any of what exists. Itself just "is" due to mere existence alone. To seek said god makes quite a lot more sense in this context, too. Everyone should seek to know better, be better and do better. How do we become as such? We learn to be. We question as needed and therefore learn more. It hopefully leads to better things, but even if it doesn't, the results still teach / learn however many of us otherwise. One last aspect to this "theory" if you will, though. This might blow your mind a little. There's always the question of any god that arises, as to how it all began. What was the beginning of it all? What was the big bang!? In this context..........it's simple..................the first question was asked......"what / how / why???" and BANG, what began could not be stopped. It only ever leads to more and more questions. It only ever leads to more and more learning. Questioning / seeking greater knowledge leads to experiments, creations, destructions, just everything. Everything.
These thoughts are what I have been contemplating for the past year. It's all because of what might be perfect or what might be paradox. I asked the question and have sought answer(s). I don't claim any of this to be fully set or the only conclusions that I will only live according to, though. I'm just putting it out there for anyone else to ponder, if you wish to.
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