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On the subject of accuracy vs politeness

That's one factor I hate about having ASD - it seems like we're always made to feel guilty for our actions, yet so many of us have been bullied by so many NTs in our lives and I wonder how many of them actually feel guilty for it? More likely they forget, while we might suffer with our mental health because of it for the rest of our lives.

But some become "strong like bull" bc of all the bullying.

As Nietzsche said:
"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

However, obviously, temperament and the degree of the abuse doesn't make it always work out that way, unfortunately.
 
My worst one, I think (this being all very subjective and such) is pride.
I'll definitely cut my nose off to spite my face, just to show everyone they are wrong!

"Ha! Look! I'm right, I've got no nose now! Ha ha ha! - Oh, hang on... maybe that wasn't such a good idea?"
 
My mother told me that I'd cut off my own nose just to spite my face. I said "Yes.". I was 8 years old.
I took a psychological assessment in school that said I'm passive assertive.

I was dumbfounded. But then some things made sense. I let people push me if I don't really care about what they are pushing, if I have no strong moral beliefs about it.
Agreed.

I use the same sort of analogy.

I read a book about 44 years ago called "The Little Prince".
The author implicitly attacked people who had difficulty with life and became disillusioned as a result.
I have never forgotten the lack of insight that person had about human psychological/neurological diversity.

Overall, it was a good book, but for unenlightened children.
Come to think about it, it probably did a lot of damage to some who "didn't fit the bill". 🤔
I always hated that book and it's dumb platitydes.
 
I read a book about 44 years ago called "The Little Prince".
Which characters do you have in mind? I remeber just the alcoholic being a controversial one. Tbh I can't remember more characters than the snake, the fox, the alcoholic and the little prince and the rose. Short book, btw, we could both read it again in one evening to check.
 
But some become "strong like bull" bc of all the bullying.

As Nietzsche said:
"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

However, obviously, temperament and the degree of the abuse doesn't make it always work out that way, unfortunately.
Oh yes, it can go both ways. Maybe when I'm twice my age I am now I might just care less, but I'm still at that caring too much stage. I feel I haven't changed since 10 years ago really. The same stuff that bothered me when I was 21 still seems to bother me today.
 
But he did get syphilis.
Well I know which I'd prefer to catch if I had to! Plus, syphilis is eminently curable these days!
(Though I believe current opinion is tending towards his dementia being related to a brain tumour, and syphilis being unlikely).

Maybe he just should never have stared into the abyss? That would have been the pits! <groan>
 
If we were gone, they'd lose a lot of those unique minds that make real things - engineers, scientists, artists (of all media), philosophers, and so on.
If they were gone, we lose all the discrimination, bullying, lack of thinking, damaging behaviours, and and and ...

Yes furthermore sheep have their uses in that they can be told what to do and how to think, so as to all pull in the same direction with as little conflict as possible, to make society productive under an abstract flag. Would a nation of people who hate people prevail over a nation of mindless conformists? 😁
I think we work best as a minority. You need the black sheep to start walking in the other direction when the herd start stampeding off a cliff. This I believe is the evolutionary role of autism, to be the thinkers and on the cutting edge of innovation like you stated.
 
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Well I know which I'd prefer to catch if I had to! Plus, syphilis is eminently curable these days!
(Though I believe current opinion is tending towards his dementia being related to a brain tumour, and syphilis being unlikely).
Notice that I said he "did get" syphilis.
I specifically avoided saying syphilis killed him. :cool:
 
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Yes furthermore sheep have their uses in that they can be told what to do and how to think, so as to all pull in the same direction with as little conflict as possible, to make society productive under an abstract flag.
Exactly (among other benefits too)! Just as so-called "alpha's" are genetically (plus other influences) predisposed to strive to lead. This seems deeply entrenched behaviour (ignoring the exceptions lying outside the 'normal' distribution of course) and can be seen as far back as recorded and extrapolated history shows.

I'd suggest it's an evolved trait (the different classes of human) and this is the same in many other species who live in organised groups (bee's and ant's being well known classic examples). If you have too many alpha's, and ND's, and all the other minority groups who inject new ideas and inventions into the general populace and help prevent stagnation of culture, then the balance between the more efficient producers and the more erratic but equally essential outliers, the artists and scientists and entrepreneurs' (etc) would be lost.
Notice that I said he "did get" syphilis.
I specifically avoided saying syphilis killed him. :cool:
I meant that it's starting to be thought he didn't have syphilis, not that it killed or didn't kill him.
Although, the idea of it killing him even if he didn't have it, is very deep! Those ruddy philosophers are so difficult to understand sometimes! 🙃
 

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