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My 5-Year-Old Son with Autism Speaks in Multiple Languages but Struggles with Conversation

virtiw

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Hi everyone,

I'm reaching out as a father hoping to understand and support my 5-year-old son better. He’s on the autism spectrum and has an incredible memory—he can name animals in four different languages, which amazes us every day. However, he doesn’t engage in back-and-forth conversation with me or my wife.

He can recite and name things brilliantly, but when it comes to communicating needs, emotions, or just having a simple two-way chat, there’s a gap we’re trying to bridge. Sometimes we’re unsure whether to call this “non-verbal,” “minimally verbal,” or something else entirely.

We’re already working with professionals, but I’d love to hear from other parents, therapists, or anyone with similar experiences:
  • Did you see similar patterns in your child?
  • What helped encourage interactive communication?
  • Any tools, routines, or therapies that made a meaningful difference?

We’d really appreciate your thoughts or encouragement. Thanks in advance for being part of this journey with us.

— Vik
 
My boy has learnt 2nd language as it's required for pass rate.
I found after phonics based study as per Montessori foundation phase that with extra support he did manage. We now opt for sight words as it's faster for him to learn, but writing answer in full sentence is what had school eventually say he wasn't coping. Considering language is for pass rate - it upsets me tremendously.
We're homeschooling for a bit, but this can be damper depending on parent who provides learning resource. Whilst I can spend time helping from time to time I find homeschooling can get child fall behind, due to discipline or availability of resources or even parents dedication. (Especially with boys)
I've found a maths tutor who does extra lessons with English subject and we want to enroll for this ASAP

First 2 years homeschooling was ok for me, but now it's too much and I also worry that I'm not a professional teacher and lack correct techniques at times.
Still working on growing vocabulary and I find having him explain how something works in his own words really shows communication deficit, like with myself. So I'm looking at ways extend use adjectives and describe with an aid until he picks this up. That's not even adding expression which he still doesn't do when reading.
When writing exerts from text book, he will write ' look at diagram 4.2 which .....' so it's almost same as having computer read text to me, it doesn't detect parts to leave out.
 
Welcome to the quirky world of autism. It's incredible what can kids with autism can become proficient in. Strengths and weaknesses seem to be amplified when autism is involved, that's perhaps the most notable aspect of someone with autism but it's nothing to worry about.

Allowing your son to follow his quirks, while also trying to keep a healthy level of balance with his peers will probably be important to keep in mind.
 
My personal chapter on speech therapy was designed in the kitchen, where I play commentator and describe whatever we are doing, to build this aspect of language.
I'm busy with review on revising terminology used in a subject, and helping him with vocabulary and structuring sentence to hopefully develop this skill for school, later on.

I haven't found this anywhere on speech resources yet, highest level is teaching essay writing or prefix and suffix.
 
He's 5 ---> so conversation will come when he's ready, my son ADHD still talks over people so ....

Does he get opportunity to sit around others who have conversation and identify topic being discussed. Since I also have autism, sending my son to school was nice way filling in greeting someone, something I'm trying to do in house more often, simple good afternoon - did you finish xyz
 
I'm reaching out as a father hoping to understand and support my 5-year-old son better. He’s on the autism spectrum and has an incredible memory—he can name animals in four different languages, which amazes us every day. However, he doesn’t engage in back-and-forth conversation with me or my wife.

He can recite and name things brilliantly, but when it comes to communicating needs, emotions, or just having a simple two-way chat, there’s a gap we’re trying to bridge. Sometimes we’re unsure whether to call this “non-verbal,” “minimally verbal,” or something else entirely.

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It's hard to see a benefit in naming things in four languages. Is this being taught, or does it reflect his environment?

This caught my eye too:
communicating needs, emotions, or just having a simple two-way chat,
I don't think that's a consistent list, which could make it misleading (or a reflection of a lack of clarity).

Assume that your son isn't "absorbing" inter-personal communication the way an NT child does.
NT children pay a lot of attention of people in the world around them - learning words is only half of what they're picking up. AFAIK NDs don't learn anything like as much "non-verbal communication" as very young NTs do.

* It seems he's getting objects ok (but perhaps too much (as above)).
* I view "needs" as a potentially misleading word. Can he indicate physical needs (hunger, discomfort, etc) verbally?
* Physical needs aren't the same as the modern psychobabble use of the same word, which you may have had in mind.
As a group we have some fairly common deficits. IIRC part of it is called 'Theory of Mind" (not that sure - it's not that interesting for me personally). Think of it as, while quite young, not caring much about other people's emotional states, motivations, likely actions, etc.
* "Two-way chat" is potentially as "loaded" as "discussing needs and emotions". A lot of us, especially males, have a degree of Alexithymia. Absent any innate awareness of other people's emotions, and finding, bit by bit, that yours are different, there's no real point to discussing emotions with others.

Back on point:
* Does your son have any reason to talk with you about these things?
* Are there any topics where a two-way exchange happens that isn't "object-centric"?
* Do you get "Look, there's a bird" object-centric comments? i.e. not exactly an invitation to two-way communication, but it's closer to it than just talking to himself.
 
Welcome, @virtiw.

I am also curious about naming objects in four different languages. How many languages are spoken at home? Is he exposed to other languages during the day? Learning multiple languages at once is not inherently problematic, but it can change a child's trajectory for developing expressive language.


Something else to consider:

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It is common for autistic children to display a "spiky profile," where they develop an uneven cognitive skill set. Sometimes, this is referred to as "splinter skills." For some of us, like myself, this continues through all stages of life.

Link to more info on Splinter Skills

Some ideas for how to support someone with an uneven cognitive profile from the document linked above:

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My daughter was slow to speak. Sometimes l couldn't make out much. But then l relistened to some video tapes, and l could make out sentences. Sometimes to us, it may not sound clear. She

started talking late in life. I just put her with lots of kids her age, and that actually made her interested in communicating. So perhaps preschool? She enjoyed the preschool l found for her. The kids seem active and happy, so l picked this school. We also had kids on the block over, all different ages. I would pass out snacks, l always stood on the side, just letting them hang out. Maybe take him to a fun arcade, state fair, museums. They are never to young to check out things, and they then will start to chat a bit. When she was quite young, we took her to the human bodies exhibit, very interesting. Now as an adult, she loves to check out exhibits, and concerts. Has flown to quite a few places also.
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We give him some screen time (45 min through out the day). He will only watch video with animals names in English, Hindi, Russian and Spanish. That's what he later repeats when he is playing with his animal toys. Our therapist told us he is obsessed with animal toys and it's better to keep him away from them. We tried to hide animals but then he picked up non animal objects and based on their shape, size color, started calling them with animals names.

He goes to school where his teacher try to socialize him with other kids. Daily, he spent around 3-4 hours in school.
When he is home we also interact with him. I play hide and seek with him daily. He enjoys it. It's our best father-son activity. How he is engaging in that play with me, I some time forget that he is on the spectrum.
 
Hello & welcome @virtiw!
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Which country are you in?
  1. Is he coming by these languages naturally, like through contact with family & friends? If not, that suggests Savantism, which is not an uncommon comorbid condition for ASD2 & 3.¹
  2. If you are in the USA, I highly recommend leaving Autism Speaks. They do not believe that autism has a healthy form [ASD1] and seek to retrain autistics to behave like NTs.²
Finding Support Resources in the USA...

¹According to savantism specialist, Darold Treffert, 10% of autistics are savants. 90% of savants are autistic.
²It is like forcing a left-handed person to use their right hand.
 
Very familiar topic 🤣😎

I know 5 or 6 languages but I hang up talking or struggle to speak at all.

What helped encourage interactive communication?
It's hard to compare an adult to a child. For me, I feel overwhelmed, overstimulated, bright lights, background noise, all that keeps my wheels spinning that could be devoted to having the conversation. Overstimulation is a state of too much sensory input. Bright and/or flickering lights, noise, uncomfortable clothes, being touched, smells etc. Also poor sleep, lack of physical acrivity, dehydration, hunger, lack of breaks - they contribute to the feeling. Especially hard to get those physiological needs met when being autistic and having alexythymia. Routine helps. Even if you don't feel like it, take a 10-minute break every hour or so and drink, go to the bathroom, have a snack. Crowds or many people in one room indoors are overstimulating, so it's better to avoid those. Talk to people 1 on 1 or in small groups. Online shopping or activities are a less stimulating alternative. Some autistic people work online and like it better, but I prefer to see people. I don't work on site 40 hours a week but enough to have face to face contact, perhaps half of the 40 hours.

The second issue is that sensory issues, for me personally, make it harder to interact with others than for an average person, I have bad hearing because of autism filtering of the sensory input - there is noise that isn't filtered out and human speech sounds unclear. I can hear very quiet soudns very clearly, they're "zoomed in", but people - uh.... it takes effort to understand. Similarly I pick up on body language, but can't always see the facial expression, because the shadows and light make it blurry. - The solution to this problem is to make sure you're being heard and seen (gotta love the people who I never know tried to interact with me and claim to be ignored) and give the autistic person the time to form and articulate a response, it is harder for us and for a lot of us it takes more time.

That was my perspective. Recently a few people remarked that
1. They have no clue if I even hear them and I have to confirm somehow, say "aha" or if I don't feel like articulating even that then nod. Apparently autistics don't make faces and neurotypical people do as a part of communication. For sure it is different for different people, but I don't think I'm aware of making faces on purpose. I make a face when it's instinctual and it expresses a feeling without concious effort. So I wasn't aware that I'm being perceived as "no clue if he hears me or not" or as ignoring, you can't suddenly get a different brain and see things like others do. I didn't know about the facial expressions or that it matters and anyone pays attention. I saw that others come up with sophisticated verbal responses (not monosyllables) and I try to do the same, but I fail, because before I speak someome already interrupts me, because I'm too slow. ... So the takeaway is that your son might have a completely different perception of the situation and have no idea what you want from him. I have felt this way a number of times, but nobody explained for nearly 30 years. Except for criticism that I don't do enough of x or y, especially that I should speak in more complex sentences or "be confident" (no clue what it's supposed to mean in practice, because clearly not feeling confident, because I heard this even when feeling relaxed and confident). I would avoid abstract feeling names "be more [feeling]", and be more specific instead about behaviours and body language. Another takeaway is that an autistic person might find a "standard response" like a fast reciprocal complex verbal response to small talk too hard and impossible to do, so might never be "back and forth" the same way as neurotypical people. Another takeaway is that it doesn't mean they don't understand or don't empathise, but communication of autistic people is different, because our sensory perception is different often to the degree that humans are hard to comprehend and communication is so ineffective we get conditioned to be loners, there is no positive reinforcement in e.g. seeking to play with others as a child. I was a speaking child, but I remember trying to play with children as inaccessible, because I didn't hear well, and therefore it was no fun and I didn't get what the children said or did often. Blocks were fun.
2. The second remark was that I don't talk and hide in the corner while I didn't perceive it this way. It was explained to me that I'm supposed to talk about obvious things even if I personally don't find the interesting to share. That this kind of thing builds relationships. I don't perceive it this way and I don't think you have to talk a lot to be a friend or talk at all, in my opinion, hanging out is fine. I didn't realise there is anything any different about me in that regard. Again the same takeaway: an autistic person might have a differrnt opinion on communication, a different perception of it, and you might need to explain and be specific, because again, throwing around statements such as "be more open" doesn't explain much.


when it comes to communicating needs, emotions,
There is also the issue that he might not know what he is feeling or needs. Alexythymia is very common with autism, it is the inability to read your internal states such as feelings, physiological needs such as pain or hunger... A child might need help learning to recognise what they feel and what cues to look for.
 
* I view "needs" as a potentially misleading word. Can he indicate physical needs (hunger, discomfort, etc) verbally?
I still find this one difficult. Coming up with a complex verbal response when I'm feeling bad. Of course the world of adults is different, I find it easier to not explain and just do what I need to be done, politely leave the room for a few minutes etc. Explaining is too hard. My parents got me to point things when I was a child. Good solution for a child. Also it's a good point to look for cues or try to predict why he's feeling bad, see patterns. And explain them to your son too, because he might not understand himself why he feels a certain way.
 
Our therapist told us he is obsessed with animal toys and it's better to keep him away from them.
I seriously think therapists don't know what they are doing. What is wrong with a 5-year-old playing only with plush animals? What is avoiding those toys supposed to achieve? Autistic minds "latch onto" things, thoughts can be repetitive. It's all there is to it, and I see no point going against it. If anything, I would be distressed if someone took away my "favourite type of toys", no matter child or adult, because I'd have no go-to thing and would get lost trying to relax and would end up unable to relax and I would just be nervous. That woulf be the result.

He enjoys it. It's our best father-son activity. How he is engaging in that play with me, I some time forget that he is on the spectrum.
As I said, it looks like you're both on the same page when it comes to this play and there is nothing making the communication hard or even impossible for your son, it seems. It's not like autistics are inherently disinterested in people, but we face communication challenges that also can be discouraging. From my point of view, people tried to get me to "interact" as a child and I didn't like it, didn't understand, felt pressured, there was something that made the communication hard or impossible for me, it just looked like someone getting angry at me or nagging me for reasons they didn't explain in a way that I understood. Some of the "interactions" were also boring, uninteresting, forced. So it is crucial to feel good, not have obstacles (such as not hearing or seeing what the thing is about, getting too vague imstructions), be able to relax (not like in some strange environment or if you keep on being touched), and finally actually like the activity or conversation.

Sorry for multiple posts, long posts are hard to edit.
 
I seriously think therapists don't know what they are doing. What is wrong with a 5-year-old playing only with plush animals? What is avoiding those toys supposed to achieve? Autistic minds "latch onto" things, thoughts can be repetitive. It's all there is to it, and I see no point going against it. If anything, I would be distressed if someone took away my "favourite type of toys", no matter child or adult, because I'd have no go-to thing and would get lost trying to relax and would end up unable to relax and I would just be nervous. That woulf be the result.
I share your perspective about the therapist, but I understand the OPs other concerns about his son's development, especially since he seems to be getting some of his input from people who don't understand ASD.

By chance I have some fresh NT experience on this. I spent two months this year (Feb & March) in a household with two kids aged 5 (just turned 5) and 2. BTW I generally get on well with young kids (I think I know why, but it's off-topic here) - on point though, it means I interacted with them quite a lot.

The 5 year old started school while I was there, is already quite social, learning to read and to write (at the one letter at a time phase), and is well past the age where simple toys are a major part of her play. "Toys"(dolls etc) are still there of course, but not the biggest focus.

The 2-year-old learned to express facts verbally while I was there, which was very interesting and instructive to watch. So he could ask for things, express wants and preferences, react to questions (asked in simplified but correct English), etc.

Clearly neither of them is ASD.

But it's not so clear that OP's child has a serious development deficit compared to them, because ASD development follows a different path.
If I met his son I could perhaps make a useful comparison, but with all the information filtered through text written by an NT that's impossible.

I think it's definitely time he figures this out though, because (at least IMO) a typical ASD1 needs a different kind of support than someone who's ASD but has other issues/deficits.

So the ability to remember and say the names of the objects of his special interest is a positive sign. But IMO it's not enough to exclude the possibility of a cognitive deficit. OTOH The "object-centric" special interest doesn't demonstrate there is a cognitive deficit (it's not unusual for one of us), but it's not evidence in the other direction either.

I doubt we can solve this here but I hope we can help a bit.
 
@virtiw

I also think that the therapist who said to keep him away from stuffed toys because he is particularly interested in them may be misguided in their suggestion. Learning limits, rules and boundaries is important, but the animals seem like they could be useful to you and your goals for your son.

Have you ever tried to speak to your son through the animals? You can use his animals to talk like puppets and see if he can do the same, back and forth. Through play, you can model what expressive communication looks like in a way that is engaging and interesting to your child. You can also use the animals to encourage communication about needs. It may be easier for your son to say that the giraffe is afraid or thirsty than he is. You have a valuable tool in the animals if you can learn to understand and use them.
 
but I understand the OPs other concerns about his son's development, especially since he seems to be getting some of his input from people who don't understand ASD.
I also understand the worrying, but I don't think taking the boy's favourite toys away is helpful.

My whole point is, interactions with others are harder for us, especially with neurotypical people who won't have the patience and assume everyone is like them. That's the main concern, the interactions. We stay away from them, because they are discouraging. I'm the guy "obsessed" with computers and math. Someone might say, and a therapist did say, leave your home, get away from the computer. Maybe I would if my computer wasn't a low effort activity and "interacting" wasn't as unaccommodating as it gets. I can't even hear well, it has no point for me to be talked at, not to. If someone makes the effort to include me - I'm willing to talk.
 
I did meet a child that was obsessed with eggs. He had to have a egg in his room. I am pretty sure was on the spectrum, plus my daughter liked him, since she is also the same. It did stress mom out a bit, but she let him have his egg, and she didn't take him to therapy. He probably will outgrow it. I think maybe signing your son up for doulingo which is free. Help him learn his favorite language. I let my daughter pursue all of her special interests because l honestly felt it might turn into a job. She turned gamer in tween age. She gamed day and night. I never said a thing. Pokémon, and so on. Now she is a data analyst. I homeschool her just so she could pursue what she loved. This may not help you, but it may help you decide on your journey in raising him. :)
 

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