Link between autism and individualism?

[Bill Brenne]

As I am reading your posts, I've come to realize we ARE coming from very different perspectives,...so I would suggest, given that,...our world,...within the context of this discussion IS different. I am going to narrow this down to our discussion about aggression, because, you appear to be speaking from a more global, or societal perspective. I am speaking from the perspective of someone with over 35 years of health care experience,...dealing with people who are at their emotional and physical worst. People who work in health care deal with people face-to-face, very intimate interactions,...people at their worst with regards to their fears (both rational and irrational) and then put them into an environment where they have a sense of loss of control. It takes almost nothing to set them off into aggressive behavior. The type of behavior we see is not dissimilar to the frightened and cornered animal,...take a dog, for example and visualization,...tail between the legs, shaking in fear, snapping and barking at you. I know, without any doubt, right now, as your are reading this, there are hundreds of interactions like this in hospitals all over the world that health care workers,...and sometimes their security officers are being confronted with. We don't want any harm to be done,...we just want to diffuse the situation,...and as I have said earlier, we are specifically trained in using calm, assertive behavior to calm the subject down. Very rarely, do we have to call in armed security and the dogs to subdue someone. So, when you suggested that the aggressor always wins,...I had to clarify that statement,...if it was the emotional aggressor,...in most cases we deal with,...absolutely not. They are diffused into submission pretty quick, either by mental manipulation,...or,...worst case,...gun and dog. Now, if you are looking at this from a more global, societal perspective,...I will give you that latitude. In another statement you suggested that aggression is aggression,...as if there is only one kind,...again, face-to-face interactions do not support that,...there is actually a thing called "passive aggression", there is assertiveness, there is a wide-range of controlling behaviors, there is fear-aggression, there is rage,...I could go on and on,...there is a broad spectrum of what one could call aggression, and ways to deal with it on a personal level. If you are not in agreement with those statements,...we are at an impasse,...and we will simply have to walk away from this discussion.

Let me put this simply: The only way to DIRECTLY subjugate and make an aggressive person submit is with fire in the eyes and voice. The aggression of the Alpha Dog is the only direct way to achieve those ends. Otherwise, the active agent in the situation is merely the messenger of the Alpha Dog.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Let me put this simply: The only way to DIRECTLY subjugate and make an aggressive person submit is with fire in the eyes and voice. The aggression of the Alpha Dog is the only direct way to achieve those ends. Otherwise, the active agent in the situation is merely the messenger of the Alpha Dog.

That is simply sociopathic. You need help,...seriously. That's the most bizarre, out-of-this world, alternate universe perspective to have. Sad. Good luck with your life,...such as it is. Wow.

 

[QuestJan]

I'm a student of the emotions. I worked out what is probably the world's first coherent and consistent working understanding of emotions in everyday life.

This sounds interesting. I have been using emotions as feedback: A negative emotion is a warning that I need to figure something out and a positive is a green light and maybe I can coast. But I have shared how well that works for me /eye roll/

Towards that end, it had to be established from the get-go that each emotion is a thing into itself--related, but different in serving the same overarching purpose as the other emotions--predator-prey relations in human form.

My "grown-up" time is generally spent in "predator-prey" and I easily slip into fight-flight which leads to over-sensitivities. How do you manage the emotions?

...So tell me that you aren't operating with the accepted societal narrative from your position(?).

That's throwing down the gauntlet - hahaha

There are about 24 identified cognitive biases that "trick" humans into specific community (and against others) through illogical thinking. It is a rare person who is aware of this. Can I assume that you are among the aware?

It would be great for you to share how these illogical biases interact with emotions in your theory.

One more curiosity, Bill Brenne. I do not care about other's sexual identities: Not my circus, not my monkeys. However, you tend to polarize "women" into rigid perceptions that are a poor fit with that demographic, lacking authenticity, and leading me to think that you identify as male.

What is your fascination with the focused stereotyping this large group of diverse personalities? I am assuming it is to simplify them into something you can easily pigeonhole. But wouldn't this lead you away from the knowledge you seek and make you susceptible to the poor critical thinking skills that result in bigotry?

 

[Wulven]

So wouldn't this make aspies the enemy of those who are one track thinking?

 

[QuestJan]

Otherwise, the active agent in the situation is merely the messenger of the Alpha Dog.

I think you're conflating leadership with criminal behavior. That sounds like something from the mafia playbook.

I am a feral child raised by domestic dogs. I have been cared for by all manner of dogs, including rotties (my nanny dog of choice).

Right now I have a farm collie, August (on the right).

August did an amazing job demonstrating alpha.


I had rented an apartment from out of state. It turned out to be the basement of a drug house (Auburn WA). I was moving out, boxes packed ready to be loaded. At 5 am, someone was pounding the door. I opened it to a SWAT team, fully uniformed and armed to the gills. [They were all tall, built, and devastatingly handsome. I wondered what kind of a friend sends strippers at the crack of dawn...?]

This might throw some dogs into a tizzy. But my guy simply went to the closest SWAT and looked lovingly into his eyes until he melted, getting on August's level, cooing "what a good doggie!" August went to the next, repeated, and continued until they were all jelly. They were happy & laughing, seeing no reason to search though all of my boxes. I momentarily considered, with August's skills, starting a heroin cartel.

They then went upstairs with their pounding tools, flash bombs, etc. and arrested all of my movers.

THAT IS ALPHA: IN CONTROL OF THE SITUATION WITHOUT THE NEED FOR VIOLENCE. It is a synonym for leadership. It is the opposite of crushing someone.

Violence is for when there is nothing left in one's bag of strategies and the attacker has nothing. The attacker has failed at being alpha.