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Is it easier socially to be fully autistic rather than high-functioning Asperger’s?

DuckRabbit

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I’m not sure whether films about individuals on the autistic spectrum help some neurodiverse individuals while unintentionally making things more difficult for others. Films naturally feel a responsibility to educate audiences about autistic spectrum conditions. Their characters are therefore invariably stereotypes of autistic spectrum diagnostic criteria. This means that when someone presents ‘normally’ in everyday life, people may have a hard time believing that they are in fact on the spectrum.

My argument hinges on the assumption that some individuals are only mildly ‘on the spectrum’ while others are more strongly ‘on the spectrum’. With no intention of causing offence, I’m assuming that autism is the more severe condition, entailing social-political deficits, cognitive impairments and maybe language deficits as well. In contrast, I’m assuming that Asperger individuals are high-functioning autistics, displaying social-political deficits only.

Arguably, autism is characterised to a more obvious extent by visible ‘disabilities’ such as stimming, staring, rebuffing gestures seeking emotional intimacy, or remaining silent or ‘blank’. An example is the boy Nathan Ellis in the 2015 film ‘X+Y’. Nathan didn’t much try to be sociable; he kept having sociability foisted on him. In contrast, Asperger individuals often make enthusiastic attempts at sociability, but these are often rebuffed because they come across as ‘weird’ or ‘odd’.

Sometimes it is the more visible ‘disabilities’ of stimming, staring, rebuffing gestures seeking emotional intimacy, and remaining silent or ‘blank’, that are able to attract more sympathy. With the autistic individual, something unconventional is expected. People almost feel reassured to have their stereotypes reinforced by actual behaviour (confirmation bias). They can pity the individual or at least make allowances, based on the fact that the individual is ‘disabled’/ ‘disordered’/ ‘diseased’, while they themselves are healthy, functioning normals.

In contrast, people may not know that certain individuals are high-functioning Aspergers unless they know them very well. With relatively sociable Aspergers, they may pass as neurotypical for a lot longer, then when their behaviour haplessly veers into ASD without warning, other people may feel more betrayed – “Damn you for making me confront anomaly – and when I wasn’t expecting it”. People may have less warning when Aspergers do or say something socially unacceptable. Accordingly, when the Asperger individual unwittingly violates social protocol, the backlash can be more severe than if a fully autistic individual violates social protocol. People’s demands and expectations of Asperger individuals may be higher, leading to more anger or shock when the expectations aren’t met.

Do you think this is plausible? Could it sometimes be easier socially to be fully autistic rather than high-functioning Asperger’s?
 
i am low functioning autistic;i have classic autism [once severe, altered to moderate in my late 20s] and intellectual disability [diagnosed severe my whole life until sectioned in a specialist hospital for intellectual disability around 5 yrs ago due to severity of challenging behavior,my intellectual disability was studied for 4 months and i was found to be on the mild scale].
i have no social anxiety as my intellectual disability and my total disconnection to humans make me have no inhibitions, socialising is probably easier for me than the average aspie but i was treated like a burden on society my whole life because people simply thought i had no expectation on me,i was locked up in an institution at 18 and physically,sensory and mentally and sexually abused because they saw a vulnerable non verbal adult and thought of me as a young child;mentally,i wont go into the neglect i suffered to,but this was because they didnt see me as a human,i was called 'the ginger one' [due to my hair colour],other people were named by their skin colour.
its not easy,i am screwed up by my life experiences from severe abuse and bullying purely because of my impairment severity and my functioning level,but ive written blogs for years including when i was non verbal to highlight the crap that goes on in residential homes for people with intellectual disability/severe or profound autism, i was told once by the council to take down some posts about abuse i suffered in some of their homes [i was passed from home to home to home because they couldnt deal with me] as it scared them and they didnt want to get into trouble.

i dont think theres a such thing as having it easier,theres sht on both sides,thanks to society.
 
i am low functioning autistic;i have classic autism [once severe, altered to moderate in my late 20s] and intellectual disability [diagnosed severe my whole life until sectioned in a specialist hospital for intellectual disability around 5 yrs ago due to severity of challenging behavior,my intellectual disability was studied for 4 months and i was found to be on the mild scale].
i have no social anxiety as my intellectual disability and my total disconnection to humans make me have no inhibitions, socialising is probably easier for me than the average aspie but i was treated like a burden on society my whole life because people simply thought i had no expectation on me,i was locked up in an institution at 18 and physically,sensory and mentally and sexually abused because they saw a vulnerable non verbal adult and thought of me as a child,i wont go into the neglect i suffered to,but this was because they didnt see me as a human,i was called 'the ginger one' [due to my hair colour],other people were named by their skin colour.
its not easy,i am screwed up by my life experiences from severe abuse and bullying purely because of my impairment severity and my functioning level,but ive written blogs for years including when i was non verbal to highlight the crap that goes on in residential homes for people with intellectual disability/severe or profound autism, i was told once by the council to take down some posts about abuse i suffered in some of their homes [i was passed from home to home to home because they couldnt deal with me] as it scared them and they didnt want to get into trouble.

i dont think theres a such thing as having it easier,theres sht on both sides,thanks to society.
A good point - both positions have hardships due to unconscious societal attitudes.
 
Hell No!!

was locked up in an institution at 18 and physically,sensory and mentally and sexually abused because they saw a vulnerable non verbal adult and thought of me as a young child;mentally,i wont go into the neglect i suffered to,but this was because they didnt see me as a human,i was called 'the ginger one' [due to my hair colour],other people were named by their skin colour.
its not easy,i am screwed up by my life experiences from severe abuse and bullying purely because of my impairment severity and my functioning level,but ive written blogs for years including when i was non verbal to highlight the crap that goes on in residential homes for people with intellectual disability/severe or profound autism, i was told once by the council to take down some posts about abuse i suffered in some of their homes [i was passed from home to home to home because they couldnt deal with me] as it scared them and they didnt want to get into trouble.

Whoa, we've had stories like this in the UK (not sure at this time where you're from) about such things taking place in these places and the inquests that follow.

 
A good point - both positions have hardships due to unconscious societal attitudes.
i couldnt agree more,have you heard of the social model of disability? this a concept of disability in which it shows society as screwing the whole spectrum over NOT autism/ASD itself,if society was conditioned better to understand us and adapt for us plus we had the right supports in place we wouldnt nearly have the same problems we do.
 
I'd be inclined to think that if you're anywhere on the spectrum of autism, that in most cases nothing likely comes easy in a social sense.

Even when some of us are acutely aware of our traits and behaviors and are regarded as highly functional, there's never any guarantee that we can improve upon them socially in whole or in part to appease the NT world we live in.
 
I also think it's hard regardless of where you are on the spectrum. I'm at the mild range, people don't know I'm on the spectrum and they don't notice it either. What they also don't notice is the vast amount of work that goes on "behind the scenes" so to speak, to allow me to blend in.
 
If you're anywhere on the spectrum, it's going to come with struggles regardless of what's piled on top of it (if anything). That much I can say for certain, whether it's "mild" or "severe", and I'm not going to pretend what either of those entail because there are always exceptions and different opinions.
 
I'd be inclined to think that if you're anywhere on the spectrum of autism, that in most cases nothing likely comes easy in a social sense.

Even when some of us are acutely aware of our traits and behaviors and are regarded as highly functional, there's never any guarantee that we can improve upon them socially in whole or in part to appease the NT world we live in.
I realise from your post that there is probably some ambiguity in my thread title: "Is it easier socially to be fully autistic rather than high-functioning Asperger’s?" I don't mean the extent to which ASD individuals are able to be sociable (by definition one struggles in the social realm and social learning is hard); I mean rather the reactions that ASD individuals get from others in social situations, that is whether others respect or devalue one, give one attention or neglect, ignore or ostracise one. Apologies for being unclear.
 
I mean rather the reactions that ASD individuals get from others in social situations, that is whether others respect or devalue one, give one attention or neglect, ignore or ostracise one. Apologies for being unclear.

Thanks for clarifying. Interesting question, too. However I can't really comment on the experience of classically autistic people and compare or assess whether or not their experiences are any better or worse than my own, since I'm not classically autistic.

At best I can only emphasize that in most social situations I seem to pass for Neurotypical, which means a much greater likelihood of them expecting and demanding that my behaviors conform to theirs. So when my traits and behaviors didn't measure up to what they expect, I run into trouble.

Let's just say I suspect both Auties and Aspies are likely to be "devalued", but in different ways and circumstances. Some of us will have negative experiences as a result of direct social interaction, while others may simply be abruptly "written off" where we are ignored or even shunned.

It's just not something I'm prepared to quantify one way or the other. Only that it can happen to both Aspies and Auties.
 
Thanks for clarifying. Interesting question, too. However I can't really comment on the experience of classically autistic people and compare or assess whether or not their experiences are any better or worse than my own, since I'm not classically autistic.

At best I can only emphasize that in most social situations I seem to pass for Neurotypical, which means a much greater likelihood of them expecting and demanding that my behaviors conform to theirs. So when my traits and behaviors didn't measure up to what they expect, I run into trouble.

Let's just say I suspect both Auties and Aspies are likely to be "devalued", but in different ways and circumstances. Some of us will have negative experiences as a result of direct social interaction, while others may simply be abruptly "written off" where we are ignored or even shunned.

It's just not something I'm prepared to quantify one way or the other. Only that it can happen to both Aspies and Auties.
Yes, questions about "which group suffers more?" should probably be abolished in favour of "what are the aspects of X situation that are painful for Group A?" and "what are the aspects of X situation that are painful for Group B?"
 
Yes, questions about "which group suffers more?" should probably be abolished in favour of "what are the aspects of X situation that are painful for Group A?" and "what are the aspects of X situation that are painful for Group B?"

I'd be inclined to ask, "What is more painful on a regular basis?"

To be ignored and deliberately shunned, or to be incessantly chastised as the result of benign social interaction?

Both seem pretty nasty to me in terms of personal experience. Perhaps my classically autistic counterpart would agree. I'm not sure. Though in my own case it kind of hurts to look back and realize that while I had such experiences, I never understood the nature of them at the time. I just figured people hated me. :eek:
 
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To be ignored and deliberately shunned, or to be incessantly chastised as the result of benign social interaction?
Are you saying one is experienced by autistics and the other by Aspergers? If so, which is which?

Which is more painful? It's tempting to say that's like asking whether you would rather be slapped on the right side of your face or on the left. However, literature on close relationships contends than being chastised is still engagement with you, whereas being ignored and shunned is more hostile as it's total disengagement - treating you as a non-entity. I think 'which is worse' also depends on which response one is more inured to, with more familiar adverse responses possibly being slightly less bad than unexpected adverse responses. This goes back to quantifying though, which I'm not sure is coherent when it comes to emotional responses, but I guess we can speculate from a philosophical perspective.
 
Are you saying one is experienced by autistics and the other by Aspergers? If so, which is which?

I think either can and does happen to both.

Dependent largely upon how NTs may sense there's something different about us and how quickly they may feel awkward and defensive about it. And react accordingly.
 
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Though in my own case it kind of hurts to look back and realize that while I had such experiences, I never understood the nature of them at the time. I just figured people hated me. :eek:
So painful, that process of realisation that what one is doing is not necessarily what other people are doing.
 

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