Thank you. I am not on disability. I was just saying that I have another condition which automatically qualifies for disability, so the mere existence of disability is not the be-all end-all. IQ can compensate.
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Is It Common To Find Oneself Further On The Spectrum Then One Imagined But...
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Levitat0r
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No offense, but I got a laugh out of this, because it sounds completely typical, and then despite being in the process of being diagnosed with considerable autism, it's the smirk you notice.
Levitat0r
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I actually had a related story in mind to tell. I was at the store, and non-spoken communication was specifically on my mind at the time. So, the guy on the phone keeps cordially referring to his conversation partner as "fool", like "What's up, fool? Listen fool, as as I was saying...". And I smiled meaningfully at the cashier and she seemed to understand, and I got a kick out of that because it's not something that comes naturally to me. I had to contemplate it. But it does give you a window into some of the stuff you're not doing or noticing the rest of the time.
That's exactly what they got from me when I decided I'd had enough. I'm also a good speaker with a well controlled voice and an extensive vocabulary so I was pretty good at dressing someone down when I wanted to.
I also have one of those fast mouths that can get me in to trouble in pubs if I'm not careful. Put a few beers in me and the mouth runs quicker than the brain sometimes.
Levitat0r
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Well, it's well-controlled to you, but if you stand up and and make a very articulate and disciplined speech precisely because you're suppressing frustration, that's seen as an entirely different kind of out-of-control, because it's not what they would do, they don't understand what you're upset about, nor why you would do it. It's the sad way of things.
I have just read this bit.
I am a slow but deep thinker, but my vocabulary is not that great, as I have recently found out why. As I tend to turn to visual thinking (As in pictures and film form) which I excell in!
My Mum is in many ways like me BUT she thinks in words and not in pictures.
Now I am not really a quick thinker like some others are, but what can puzzle me is that others miss things because they just surface think and do not digest what they are thinking, so they do not see things like I can.
But socially (I hardly knew what the term "Social" or "Being social" even meant!), I tend to steer conversations towards my interests (Especially railways) as to make sense of things, I find it easier to relate any given subject to a railway subject to make sense of it.
Also, I can hit mind blank when in certain situations when nurvous or where there is a shutdown trigger, where I will automatically "Talk round the world and back to avoid hitting these mind blank situations, so I can have entire conversations in the hope to eventually reach the point I was trying to make and often if the other person changes the subject, I can never get to say what I wanted to say as I have not been able to trick my mind to reach the point I was trying to make.
I can't usually talk straight to the point. I usually have to twlk in long half curved loops of continually changing relatable subjects before reaching the point I wanted to make from an entirely different angle of approach. It is like doing two things at ojce with ones brain as one has to hold the "Concept" thought which is NOT in word form, and have to talk my way round from an entirely different angle of approach to express that thought. I am actually learning more about myself as I write as I remembered that the origional thought is not a thought concept I can put into words. It feels like a browny sort of thought concept which the expressing of that thought is like one keept talking while changing angles of talk to try and give birth to the thought into spoken form.
Often though, I do talk at directed angles, sort of like straight but 45° angles of approach to sort of communicate what I am trying to say...
(Is this making sense to anybody?)
Yet despite all this I have been tested to have a higher than average IQ, though I am not at genius level. My youngest brother is what I describe at genius level! BUT he surface thinks if that makes sense? He is a quick thinker who does not need to deep think. He is one who would almost always have top marks in whatever he would do when in school and got top marks in his exams without even any need to study. (He did no revision for any exam and when we suggested to do so he looked at us puzzled and said "Why do I need to do that?")
He actually went to college and did the first year to quit the course as he saw straight through the money making motives of the college education system and exposed most of the lecturers who cared not for the pupils but were in it for the money or the pride of the position! (And he was right, as when Mum and I visited on the "Parents" open day (My Dad had died by then and Mum doesn't drive so I went. I am actually old enough to be my youngest brothers Dad so those who did not know assumed I was and assumed our Mum was his Grandmother)... But I saw exactly what he was saying when I met them!)
But my brother, even before he started school he was too intelligent! My Dad couldn't be that big red white bearded pie eating guy with him! No chance!
Sorry. I am writing too much now! I do that when exploring thought!
Ooh, but I want to explain something! I make up for my limited vocabluary by clever use of the words I speak so most people do not notice.
I do find that foreign people learning english find me easy to speak to because I talk slower than most and use easier to understand words. (They have told me that! I can't speak their languages though. I live in Wales and never have been any good at Welsh! I never knew it was because I was autistic).
I am a slow but deep thinker, but my vocabulary is not that great, as I have recently found out why. As I tend to turn to visual thinking (As in pictures and film form) which I excell in!
My Mum is in many ways like me BUT she thinks in words and not in pictures.
Now I am not really a quick thinker like some others are, but what can puzzle me is that others miss things because they just surface think and do not digest what they are thinking, so they do not see things like I can.
But socially (I hardly knew what the term "Social" or "Being social" even meant!), I tend to steer conversations towards my interests (Especially railways) as to make sense of things, I find it easier to relate any given subject to a railway subject to make sense of it.
Also, I can hit mind blank when in certain situations when nurvous or where there is a shutdown trigger, where I will automatically "Talk round the world and back to avoid hitting these mind blank situations, so I can have entire conversations in the hope to eventually reach the point I was trying to make and often if the other person changes the subject, I can never get to say what I wanted to say as I have not been able to trick my mind to reach the point I was trying to make.
I can't usually talk straight to the point. I usually have to twlk in long half curved loops of continually changing relatable subjects before reaching the point I wanted to make from an entirely different angle of approach. It is like doing two things at ojce with ones brain as one has to hold the "Concept" thought which is NOT in word form, and have to talk my way round from an entirely different angle of approach to express that thought. I am actually learning more about myself as I write as I remembered that the origional thought is not a thought concept I can put into words. It feels like a browny sort of thought concept which the expressing of that thought is like one keept talking while changing angles of talk to try and give birth to the thought into spoken form.
Often though, I do talk at directed angles, sort of like straight but 45° angles of approach to sort of communicate what I am trying to say...
(Is this making sense to anybody?)
Yet despite all this I have been tested to have a higher than average IQ, though I am not at genius level. My youngest brother is what I describe at genius level! BUT he surface thinks if that makes sense? He is a quick thinker who does not need to deep think. He is one who would almost always have top marks in whatever he would do when in school and got top marks in his exams without even any need to study. (He did no revision for any exam and when we suggested to do so he looked at us puzzled and said "Why do I need to do that?")
He actually went to college and did the first year to quit the course as he saw straight through the money making motives of the college education system and exposed most of the lecturers who cared not for the pupils but were in it for the money or the pride of the position! (And he was right, as when Mum and I visited on the "Parents" open day (My Dad had died by then and Mum doesn't drive so I went. I am actually old enough to be my youngest brothers Dad so those who did not know assumed I was and assumed our Mum was his Grandmother)... But I saw exactly what he was saying when I met them!)
But my brother, even before he started school he was too intelligent! My Dad couldn't be that big red white bearded pie eating guy with him! No chance!
Sorry. I am writing too much now! I do that when exploring thought!
Ooh, but I want to explain something! I make up for my limited vocabluary by clever use of the words I speak so most people do not notice.
I do find that foreign people learning english find me easy to speak to because I talk slower than most and use easier to understand words. (They have told me that! I can't speak their languages though. I live in Wales and never have been any good at Welsh! I never knew it was because I was autistic).
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It does make sense. In a lot of ways I was like your brother.
I do find my brother makes mistakes. He is so precise in all he does he leaves no room for error.
Example was on his wedding. He worked it all out and told people exact times they were supposed to be ready for me to pick them up in my car, except he planned his timings on Google map times, which when driving down single lane country roads bears no resemblance to reality, and me complaining and telling him to tell them to be ready earlier so I didn't have to risk a crash trying to drive down those twisty lanes like that were met by "No! I've worked it out!" and he refused to give me their phone numbers so I could tell them be there a few minutes earlier. Arguing with him the possible variables suchnas if the first person was late getting up he wouldn't hear. He was " Right" and that was it!
Other similar situations have happened many times when Mum.and I have had to step back becsuse he will not listen, as he is right and no one else is! Mum said that one of her cousins is like that. Brilliant quick thinking mind but everything is worked out precisely!
Going back to my youngest brother (My other brother who is closer to my age is more like me, except he understands how to date the ladies so has had lots of kids, and I am still single! (Mind you, he is single now but not really his fault))...
But when my youngest brother was around three years old he spent a day or two drawing plans on paper. (I never nstrually drew plans on paper as like my Dad, we were visual thinkers able to design and recall designs in our mind... But he used paper).
And when he was finished with the paper side of things, as he often did, so to us it was normal, ue started to gather cardboard and a few pieces of wood and marked things out and started making something, which involved asking me to hold selotape for him and to cut the end of wood etc... (He wad too young so needed my help).
Then he had finished and revealted his design. He had built himself cardboard wings!
We congratulated him with his wings and thought nothing of it. Then my Mum looked out the window and saw him standing on top of his slide (My Dad had made for him), so he was at a good height (14-15ft high?) and was about to jump off with his wings!
Mum ran out to stop him just in time!
Then when we reminded him when he was 18 he replied "It would of worked! I had calculated it all out but you wouldn't let me!"
But he is a highly intelligent young man who could easily be a company manager even though he has not had any proper qualifications other than his schooling which he came top in though he did say sometimes one of his classmates who was equally tallented occasionally came top...
But I go deep. I can spend years chewing the cud again and again before I am satisfied and come to a conclusion about something! A different sort of thinking. I am a slow but thorough processor who grands exceedingly fine!
Example was on his wedding. He worked it all out and told people exact times they were supposed to be ready for me to pick them up in my car, except he planned his timings on Google map times, which when driving down single lane country roads bears no resemblance to reality, and me complaining and telling him to tell them to be ready earlier so I didn't have to risk a crash trying to drive down those twisty lanes like that were met by "No! I've worked it out!" and he refused to give me their phone numbers so I could tell them be there a few minutes earlier. Arguing with him the possible variables suchnas if the first person was late getting up he wouldn't hear. He was " Right" and that was it!
Other similar situations have happened many times when Mum.and I have had to step back becsuse he will not listen, as he is right and no one else is! Mum said that one of her cousins is like that. Brilliant quick thinking mind but everything is worked out precisely!
Going back to my youngest brother (My other brother who is closer to my age is more like me, except he understands how to date the ladies so has had lots of kids, and I am still single! (Mind you, he is single now but not really his fault))...
But when my youngest brother was around three years old he spent a day or two drawing plans on paper. (I never nstrually drew plans on paper as like my Dad, we were visual thinkers able to design and recall designs in our mind... But he used paper).
And when he was finished with the paper side of things, as he often did, so to us it was normal, ue started to gather cardboard and a few pieces of wood and marked things out and started making something, which involved asking me to hold selotape for him and to cut the end of wood etc... (He wad too young so needed my help).
Then he had finished and revealted his design. He had built himself cardboard wings!
We congratulated him with his wings and thought nothing of it. Then my Mum looked out the window and saw him standing on top of his slide (My Dad had made for him), so he was at a good height (14-15ft high?) and was about to jump off with his wings!
Mum ran out to stop him just in time!
Then when we reminded him when he was 18 he replied "It would of worked! I had calculated it all out but you wouldn't let me!"
But he is a highly intelligent young man who could easily be a company manager even though he has not had any proper qualifications other than his schooling which he came top in though he did say sometimes one of his classmates who was equally tallented occasionally came top...
But I go deep. I can spend years chewing the cud again and again before I am satisfied and come to a conclusion about something! A different sort of thinking. I am a slow but thorough processor who grands exceedingly fine!
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I find that different ways of thinking are fascinating!
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