How come help doesn't exist?

[if6wasnin9]

I've been in the mental health system for 50 years and no one wants to help. I thought all these people were supposed to diagnose and treat all these disorders I have like bipolar, Asperger's, etc!
These professional people are supposed to pick up on traits and nuances and they could care less about helping you solve your problems!

 

[FayetheADHDsquirrel]

I'm not really sure how to answer this, but I really do hope you get to feeling better.

 

[WhitewaterWoman]

Very few professionals know how to help dual diagnosed individuals.

 

[Shevek]

They get paid as long as they are trying. If they succeed, the pay stops. Sorry, but I found out the hard way. However, they are probably far more often just incompetent, not corrupt. Studying Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, John Cleese took an informal survey whenever he met something who he thought had really shown talent in their field. He'd ask them how many of their colleagues really understood their subject. Answers ranged from 5% to 20%, averaging around 12%. It probably takes some talent to get onto the patient list for the good ones.

 

[Jumpinbare]

A patient cured is a customer lost.

 

[NB79]

Imo, is not like i want to preach on non religious section, but Jesus can help a lot more than this 'doctors' in reality psychology cannot help much, it usually boils down to tone down symptons and never fixing the problem. I like how they have ability to identify problems though, but most pshychiatrist seem more interested in hooking you up on drugs, that actually being a nice person and listen to you with compasion and to support you. May be different on other countries maybe idk.

 

[TBRS1]

I've been in the mental health system for 50 years and no one wants to help. I thought all these people were supposed to diagnose and treat all these disorders I have like bipolar, Asperger's, etc!
These professional people are supposed to pick up on traits and nuances and they could care less about helping you solve your problems!

Because not all people are good at the job they do, nor do all people care about the effectiveness of what they do equally, and under all circumstances.

Add in that not everything can be treated with equal effectiveness, and that of not all problems can be solved.

Finally, not everything that can be known is known.

Because of these variables, treatment will always be a mixed bag.

 

[Dagan]

I'm going to be a brick wall on the whole religion part real fast. I know for a fact how many doctors, surgeons, etc. feel constantly doing all of their studies, labs, research and then some - actual learning and practicing to be the best they can be at what they're doing - doing great things by literally saving lives on a daily basis, and yet they always have to hear people thank god for the "miracle" that said loved ones are okay. No immediate common sense to thank the doctors who actually did anything for real. Nah. Just thanking the unseen and most often making a spectacle of it in the lobby, even. I have a family of several physicians is why I know this. Coupled with an oppressive enough, never-ending ball of red tape bureaucracy (from elected officials who almost always won based on THEIR religious beliefs in part), and you wind up with doctors who are that much more jaded and feel disrespected, no matter how much money they make.

Doctors and physicians are like any other people. They become conditioned after so long, even if they have hearts of pure gold and still do their best and actually do care. They still are affected by the endless lack of appreciation overall. Yeah, there are obviously those that eventually just snap or let it defeat them, and I'm sure that's why you get the ones that rather phone it in from then on. They don't last long, either, believe it or not. They get to where they seriously need help themselves, but for the reasons they reached a point of despair, they don't trust that they'll get what they are after.

 

[Masked Man]

Are you in the US? Because mental and behavioral health services are lacking. And the services that do exist are deeply underfunded and understaffed.

 

[Crossbreed]

@if6wasnin9, if you are in America, see...
Finding Support Resources in the USA...

 

[Jumpinbare]

I'm going to be a brick wall on the whole religion part real fast. I know for a fact how many doctors, surgeons, etc. feel constantly doing all of their studies, labs, research and then some - actual learning and practicing to be the best they can be at what they're doing - doing great things by literally saving lives on a daily basis, and yet they always have to hear people thank god for the "miracle" that said loved ones are okay. No immediate common sense to thank the doctors who actually did anything for real. Nah. Just thanking the unseen and most often making a spectacle of it in the lobby, even. I have a family of several physicians is why I know this. Coupled with an oppressive enough, never-ending ball of red tape bureaucracy (from elected officials who almost always won based on THEIR religious beliefs in part), and you wind up with doctors who are that much more jaded and feel disrespected, no matter how much money they make.

Doctors and physicians are like any other people. They become conditioned after so long, even if they have hearts of pure gold and still do their best and actually do care. They still are affected by the endless lack of appreciation overall. Yeah, there are obviously those that eventually just snap or let it defeat them, and I'm sure that's why you get the ones that rather phone it in from then on. They don't last long, either, believe it or not. They get to where they seriously need help themselves, but for the reasons they reached a point of despair, they don't trust that they'll get what they are after.

I have known a few doctors who openly attribute someone's recovery as a miracle. These were cases where the doctor did everything possible, but "knew" the case was hopeless.

 

[FayetheADHDsquirrel]

I have known a few doctors who openly attribute someone's recovery as a miracle. These were cases where the doctor did everything possible, but "knew" the case was hopeless.

We had a situation where a doctor didn't know how someone survived after being without blood flow to the brain for so long after a heart attack in which said individual had heart stopped around half an hour. Then they still thought they would be toddler like and paralyzed. Within a few days that too was proven not to be the case. I believe God deserves the credit for that and I am grateful.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I can't speak for everyone. But I work in the medical field and I know no one - literally no one - who is in it for financial gain and doesn't care for their patients. All doctors I know care greatly for their patients' well-being. Mental illness remains very difficult to treat. We are getting more knowledge and develop more effective treatment plans about certain disorders, but we're still at the beginning of the learning curve. Properly researching psychiatry and psychology is hard because almost everything is subjective, both for the patient and for the clinician. Psychiatry is not "there's this pathology in the lab, let's treat it with this exactly targeted medication". I know it's frustrating but most doctors are genuinely doing the best they can with what they have available. Then of course there are some you get along better with than others.

 

[Poppy98]

However, they are probably far more often just incompetent, not corrupt

Or apathetic.

 

[Poppy98]

Across the board:
I think the field would be better if it was more patient-directed.




For autism services:
I also have been told that in my (recent) area there aren't services for adults with autism other than group homes or "just talk to a shrink about how you feel about it."
No how I feel about it isn't an issue. I recognize that there are social customs that I don't know.



Few NT's care to share the rules. Some of them aren't even able to figure out the rules when they do try and tbh it's not their problem. It's a need for information and drilling, not an issue of emotion. It's like using a therapist to teach you engineering but where the therapist won't talk about engineering.

And the books are often too vague to be of much help.
Tbc I was living in one of my state's largest cities.

 

[TBRS1]

I can't speak for everyone. But I work in the medical field and I know no one - literally no one - who is in it for financial gain and doesn't care for their patients. All doctors I know care greatly for their patients' well-being. Mental illness remains very difficult to treat. We are getting more knowledge and develop more effective treatment plans about certain disorders, but we're still at the beginning of the learning curve. Properly researching psychiatry and psychology is hard because almost everything is subjective, both for the patient and for the clinician. Psychiatry is not "there's this pathology in the lab, let's treat it with this exactly targeted medication". I know it's frustrating but most doctors are genuinely doing the best they can with what they have available. Then of course there are some you get along better with than others.

This is very important.

When dealing with psychological issues, there is no " one size fits all" solution.

While this is true for physical ailments as well, the degree to which it makes a major difference is higher with psychological issues than, say, with a broken arm.

 

[velociraptor]

These professional people are supposed to pick up on traits and nuances and they could care less about helping you solve your problems!

I had to learn to solve most of my own problems, or at least learn how to manage the intractable ones. Waiting for others to fix things for you usually means you die waiting.

 

[if6wasnin9]

I can't speak for everyone. But I work in the medical field and I know no one - literally no one - who is in it for financial gain and doesn't care for their patients. All doctors I know care greatly for their patients' well-being. Mental illness remains very difficult to treat. We are getting more knowledge and develop more effective treatment plans about certain disorders, but we're still at the beginning of the learning curve. Properly researching psychiatry and psychology is hard because almost everything is subjective, both for the patient and for the clinician. Psychiatry is not "there's this pathology in the lab, let's treat it with this exactly targeted medication". I know it's frustrating but most doctors are genuinely doing the best they can with what they have available. Then of course there are some you get along better with than others.

You wouldn't believe the abuse and ignorance I've had last 40 years. I told everyone last 10 years I was diagnosed asbergers and they ignored me. I've been to "best" hospitals in US and they were a joke. My last Dr almost killed me several times and didn't care. I saw one sick Dr 30 years ago and he said "Your anxiety is almost psychotic and you're a shmuck" then smiled and said "You think you're losing your mind?".
I contacted lawyers last year and no one would take a psych malpractice case. I complained about my last Dr and got banned from all practices in MD and DE.
I'm severe BP, asbergers, ocd and just told I'm schizophrenic. I am totally screwed. Then they wonder why I don't want to live anymore and why I complain. They are as sick as I am

 

[Shevek]

I'm severe BP, asbergers, ocd and just told I'm schizophrenic. I am totally screwed. Then they wonder why I don't want to live anymore and why I complain. They are as sick as I am

Aye, but they have a lot of company in their madness for mutual support, while you are far outside the range of their imaginations.

There was a psych ward that had been stable for years, but then started discharging patients regularly. They finally traced it down to the night janitor, a guy who couldn't get a better job, or a better shift. He used to talk to the patients who were awake as if they were normal people. After a while, they asked him why, given that he was just as strange as themselves, he got to leave every morning. It was simple, he explained, he just didn't share the strange stuff with authority figures.

There was also the ward that discovered that it took the addition of two psychiatrists to equal the benefits of adding one dog.

 

[TBRS1]

Aye, but they have a lot of company in their madness for mutual support, while you are far outside the range of their imaginations.

There was a psych ward that had been stable for years, but then started discharging patients regularly. They finally traced it down to the night janitor, a guy who couldn't get a better job, or a better shift. He used to talk to the patients who were awake as if they were normal people. After a while, they asked him why, given that he was just as strange as themselves, he got to leave every morning. It was simple, he explained, he just didn't share the strange stuff with authority figures.

There was also the ward that discovered that it took the addition of two psychiatrists to equal the benefits of adding one dog.

I got a degree in psychology around 40 years ago. I heard that story then.

My experience is that this is good advice.