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Judge said:
After about 48 years, what I learned then is now being discussed openly. The strange case of Rudolf Hess, who as Hitler's deputy flew to Scotland in 1941 in an attempt to negotiate with Great Britain an alliance against Soviet Russia.
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This was part of the standard history curriculum when I was in high school.
 
I never took history past grade 10 maybe eleven concentrated on math and science, Knew most of history being taught was politically biased talking to my parents realized that, Brits had beef with dutch twisted history really bothered my mother,
 
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This was part of the standard history curriculum when I was in high school.
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Please explain in some detail.

There's nothing I see as "standard" in what amounts to something of a scandal at the highest levels of government. And I don't mean the one about Edward VIII, but about Rudolf Hess. After all, there's nothing new about Edward's complicity with the Third Reich or his attempt to gain power after the war.

You see, there are several aspects of this story, not any one simple explanation. And there are still some questions that may never be answered. And there has always been a difference between the narrative and explanation the British government provided long ago versus quite a different narrative that the government doesn't want known, let alone to be publicly discussed.
 
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Jonn said:
And yet, so many ignorant ppl refuse to acknowledge the existence of power groups behind the scenes influencing social policies.
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Not surprising given the extent government may go to keep information from the people. But that's not my point in posting this information.

It's the information itself. The details. And the fact that I was told about it nearly 50 years ago.
 
Judge said:
Not surprising given the extent government may go to keep information from the people. But that's not my point in posting this information.

It's the information itself. And the fact that I was told about it nearly 50 years ago.
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I never let an opportunity go by to point out the corruption of all governments. :cool:
 
Jonn said:
I never let an opportunity go by to point out the corruption of all governments. :cool:
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Agreed. Though in this instance I find this degree of corruption astounding, particularly given that the crown was willing to perpetuate it this many years.

The good news is that worrying about the consequences regarding the Russians no longer matters given the present state of affairs between Britain and Russia.
 
Ronald Zeeman said:
The government thought there was a conspiracy, just a dumb guy doing a boner move..
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Not at all. That's was the government's explanation. If it was such a bonehead move, Hess would have been shot down immediately upon entering Allied airspace. Which never happened. He had a whole lot of defense infrastructure in his grasp, both German and British to make it as far as he did.

It was the government perpetuating a lie. Read the presentation and consider the possibilities that Hess was perfectly lucid until his long term confinement under the Brits. The possibility that he was given various medications to make him appear how he was at the Nuremberg Trials.

And then an alternate possibility that the man who attended the Nuremberg Trials may not have even been Hess at all, but an imposter. And if so, who murdered Hess and replaced him? And why?

And lastly, who murdered the last prisoner in Spandau, if he in fact unable to commit his own suicide? Someone didn't want Hess to ever leave, besides just the Russians. But then it was no secret why the Russians wanted to keep access into West Berlin during the Cold War. Having nothing to do with Hess. I still recall the name "SAS" coming up a lot after Hess' death in Spandau. But of course, nothing but denials followed it.
 
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I stick with Occams razor, the DNA matching his family a few years ago cinched it. Covid was not a conspiracy just genetics. Getting sick of everything being a conspiracy.
 
Ronald Zeeman said:
I stick with Occams razor, the DNA matching his family a few years ago cinched it.
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That only addresses his identity, but it doesn't explain other aspects of both his life and death in British custody. And whatever coverup followed, all the way to Spandau. And that all depends on the transparency of such DNA tests. Taking into consideration an entire government capable of compromising such tests given the stakes involved. No differently that what prosecutors did to Gerry Conlon to convict him of a crime he never committed.

And perhaps the greatest question of all. Did Britain immediately dismiss Hess' proposition, or did they seriously entertain it? Much as Churchill and King George VI mulled over surrender or negotiated peace with Hitler in 1940.

Whether or not Britain momentarily entertained the idea...and whether or not Stalin knew it happened.

I'm not asserting this mystery will ever be truly solved. But I'm stoked to see others publishing so much of this story that remained hushed for so many years. I've never been one for conspiracy theories in general, with the exception of this one.
 
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Judge said:
Not at all. That's was the government's explanation. If it was such a bonehead move, Hess would have been shot down immediately upon entering Allied airspace. Which never happened.

It was the government perpetuating a lie. Read the presentation and consider the possibilities that Hess was perfectly lucid until his long term confinement under the Brits.
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Governments/agencies use this tactic all the time.
Destroying ppl's credibility is the go-to when someone exposes the Truth they don't want the public to know.

There are so many fake mental health claims out there.
Gaslighting is in epic proportions, and always has been.

Aliens abducting ordinary citizens so they can anal-probe them? 🤔
I think not. 😎

Judge said:
And the possibility that the man who attended the Nuremberg Trials may not have even been Hess at all, but an imposter.
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Where on earth would you find someone else with those eyebrows? :eek:

Judge said:
And if so, who murdered Hess and replaced him?
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Well, I am open-minded about this.
What I am not is how ruthless the British secret service, and those around the world, were and are.
Psychopaths have nothing on them.

Judge said:
And lastly, who murdered the last prisoner in Spandau, if he in fact unable to commit his own suicide?
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Why are you asking me? 🤔;)
 
He passed at 93 right on infection point. No surprise their. Governments believe in security. As we are finding out up here. Do not always trust your neighbours.
 
Jonn said:
Where on earth would you find someone else with those eyebrows? :eek:
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I've always thought he looked somewhat different between 1941 and when he showed up at Nuremberg in 1946. But then if it was Hess, it may also reflect the conditions put upon him by the Brits to break him psychologically.
 
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