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Do you often get angry when you are sad ?

Waltram

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I am reading Tony Attwood's Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome. On pages 143-6 he explains that many Aspies express their sadness through anger. I certainly understand that. Especially as a child or teenager, whenever I was sad because I felt lonely, had problems socialising or was teased/bullied, it made me both sad and angry at the same time. Mr Attwood seems to think that Aspies have a poorer range of emotions than neurotypicals, but in my case I would say that the opposite is true.

I don't understand how he wants us to feel either angry OR sad, when the social rejection and associated incomprehension experienced by Aspie kids generally cause a whole spectrum of negative emotions at the same time, like frustration, annoyance, sadness, disappointment, disillusion, irritation, misanthropy, melancholy and anger.

Anger may be the emotion that looks more obvious from the outsider's point of view because it is the one that is the most externalised and therefore the most visible. Aspies may try to conceal other emotions they are feeling so as not to look weak or pathetic. That is at least how I experienced it.

I can of course feel sadness without anger. I such situations I can also cry. But that usually happens when something is beyond my control and affects someone else. If my pet dies, or I watch a sad story on TV, I will feel sad. However, whenever I am sad because of my socialisation problems, which I can't seem to improve to a satisfying level, then it also makes me angry because I feel it is unjust. So it is perfectly normal for an Aspie to associate anger and sadness in such situations.

I don't know why Tony Attwood is making such a big deal about it. Have NTs never experienced anger and sadness at the same time ? I often find it hard to express my emotions not because I don't feel anything, but because I feel too many distinct emotions all at once, and I may be at a loss to find all the adjectives without disentangling and analysing all those emotions first ! I find it easier to express my emotions now that I am older and more experienced in disentangling my emotions. Yet I still feel the same intensity (maybe actually less than when I was a child) which proves that I wasn't feeling empty inside (Attwood's words to describe Aspies) and that I did not have black or white emotions (ditto), but that I was feeling too strong and diverse emotions that couldn't be easily articulated in words without writing a small essay about it.

From my point of views, most people seem to have much simpler emotions that I do. That's why I can't be sure of what they are feeling. If I ask someone how they feel the answer is always remarkably simple. "I feel great". "I am happy". Surely they cannot be feeling just that at any one time ? Aren't they the ones who can't properly express their feelings and oversimplify everything ?

Tony Attwood also mentions that Aspie kids often react to teasing by fast and impulsive retaliations (p. 130) or sudden fits of anger as if they only had an on/off switch button set on maximum volume (p. 131), or as if their emotional reactions were only black or white, without the nuances of grey in between. It is true that impulsive retaliations or fits of anger have often happened to me when teased or bullied, but that is not because of a lack of nuance in my emotions. It only happens when I have been trying to keep my self-control for a lot time and just can't take it any more. It's the drop that overflowed the glass. Neurotypicals may actually have less self-control and regularly vent some of their frustrations and anger. I have tried to do that more often as an adult and it did decrease considerably my impulsive fits of anger. So it proves once again that it's not about having poorer or less nuanced feelings, but just trying to be in control of one's feelings all the time that causes Aspies to react this way, eventually.
 
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Hi Waltram

Just this morning I felt a burning anger! My husband tends to like "soppy" music or "crooners" and quite honestly, they hurt my head! So, he is working upstairs, getting our guest room ready, and thus, has a very loud sanding machine working. He said he wanted to put on one of those "crooners" so I said, well as long as you take the cordless speaker upstairs, so that the sound is with you, rather than me, and he thankfully agreed.

I have a shower and go upstairs and notice that the speaker is outside the room and not working. Now, it causes problems often ie the sound not filtering from the computer to the speaker and so that is what I thought and with that, took it downstairs!

Well, I heard a break in his sanding machine and so, with that, went upstairs to say hi and he tells me that he could not hear the speaker through his sanding machine and thus, switched it off and put it outside, which is fair enough, but what actually made me have a melt down, is when I told him that I took it downstairs, he demands to know why and I explain but HE REFUSED to see my point! To me it was completely logical that I thought it didn't work, but he insisted that it was not logical and then: so what? Who cares? I tried to say that I did because he is not saying: well yes I can see your logic etc etc and that kind of behaviour actually makes me hate him!

Sorry needed to get that out! Yes I can feel angry and sad at the same time or not, depending on the situation that causes such emotions.

Personally, I rather take testimonies from fellow aspies, that so called: "professionals" as you have pointed out!

A lot of erroneously diagnosed and suffer for it.

I do blame NT's for this, for they refuse to take the word from the person! I have to be careful who I tell, for they will say: oh you can't go around thinking you have this or that and actually, laugh cruelly!
 
One more reason for me to buy the book someday. :)

I definitely have a temper. I even joked in a depression thread about how I have "manly depression" since I get grouchy instead of tearful like women usually do. When I was a teen, I stayed almost constantly in something I called a depressive rage because I was always out and out bummed, but I was also furious at the same time. The more bummed and lonely, the angrier I got. And it's still that way. It might be why I welcome a true case of the blues, because there is a certain kind of soothing sensation to being only sad and down. Heck, just feeling one emotion at any give time is a relief. At this very moment, I'm depressed for having been unintentionally insensitive to my husband, relieved the kid is asleep so I can get some quiet time, amused for having just listened to some comedy, and now thanks to this thread I am curious on top of all that! Argh! You know that joke with a woman sitting with a cup of coffee talking to a man and she says, "well, the difference between men and women is women's minds are like an internet browser with 1,528 tabs open all the time"? That's me with just about everything. When I finally have enough and can't take anything anymore, it's not just because of one thing. It's Santa's Naughty List of things. And the scary part for people who are learning to cope with me is that me snapping every other week isn't from lack of control and letting it all hang out, it's because I've been holding the same stuff in for weeks, months, or even years. Quite frustrating.
 
Usually for me it's the opposite way round - I get angry first, and then get sad. I'm not aware of experiencing the two together. I have a low frustration threshold, and can get angry very quickly and I have a bad temper - I just have to avoid putting myself in siituations where I'm likely to get frustrated easily. For me, sadness and in particular crying is a result of a build-up of emotion rather than one single event, and that can be any emotion: frustration, disappointment, hopelessness. I rarely, if ever, react with sadness to a sad event. If anything, I get angry, which makes me wonder if I really do experience sadness in the same way as other people do.
 
I am quite an emotional person and I find it hard to hide it when I'm feeling strong emotions. I'm better at this than I used to be but it's still hard. I do experience anger when I am sad. Especially when I was younger, I'd have an angry meltdown and only after that would I be able to cry and be sad.

However, I think a lot of what Attwood says about emotion was accurate for me, in particular the on/off switch idea. I have only two speeds for any particular emotion off or feeling it intensly. There are few shades of grey for me. Since understanding this, if I'm feeling an unpleasant emotion, I try to make myself stop and think about it and work out how intense the emotion *should be* given the situation. I try to find the shades of grey in other words - it works sometimes but sometimes I'm too overwhelmed by the emotion to do this.
 
Usually for me it's the opposite way round - I get angry first, and then get sad. I'm not aware of experiencing the two together. I have a low frustration threshold, and can get angry very quickly and I have a bad temper - I just have to avoid putting myself in siituations where I'm likely to get frustrated easily. For me, sadness and in particular crying is a result of a build-up of emotion rather than one single event, and that can be any emotion: frustration, disappointment, hopelessness. I rarely, if ever, react with sadness to a sad event. If anything, I get angry, which makes me wonder if I really do experience sadness in the same way as other people do.

Absolutely SPOT ON! So you now those "talent shows" where one armed or leg etc go on and tell their "life" story or the: homeless one? I am left as cold as stone, whilst hubby is the opposite, not with tears, just thinks I am awful for not showing emotion. Although, whoa get the campaign out lol we AGREE that when we hear a 14 year old or younger saying: I have wanted this all my life; the: oh yeah comes out of both our mouths.

However, seeing pictures of African children who can barely move, due to lack of food etc, THAT gets me crying and wanting to take them in my arms and show them they are loved! An old woman or man, with face black and blue, gets my heartstrings going!

And yes, I have a very low frustration theshold and in a flash, I can get so angry that I am scared, because there is nothing I can do about it!
 
Like Progster, I get angry first. And also like Progster, my anger is a result of a build-up frustration. Unfortunately, I don't always notice this frustration building. In addition, I have noticed that drinking too much coffee lowers my frustration threshhold. So, I now drink a max of a few cups a week. My anger can be pretty intense because it comes quickly. I may break things without realizing it (since childhood, I have unfortunately broken some pairs of glasses this way) because something will be in my hand as I get angry, and I just start squeezing my hands into tight fists without realizing it. If things are too intense, I scream this high-pitched scream. I've done it since I was a kid when things get to be too much. I can't seem to control it because I don't know that it's going to happen/I'm going to do it. It just happens/I just do it. It's hard because I get judged so harshly for the intensity of my anger, as if it makes me a bad person or a scary person, and people just ignore how I am outside of these (currently very rare as my basic needs are currently met) bouts of anger, which is normally very calm. So, that hurts because I don't judge their anger.

When I get sad, it is because I don't know what else to do but cry or I just want a whole bunch of things to be put on pause because it is too much, too overwhelming.

It's interesting. When I was in group therapy for depression, the therapist and the other people in group kept telling me that I didn't experience my emotions, that I just intellectualized them. Hearing this annoyed and confused me so much because I did feel my emotions. I just didn't visibly express them in the same way they did. It was also a silly thing for them to say as I was in therapy for depression, so obviously I was experiencing the emotions related to it.
 
One at a time for me, but I can switch between emotions pretty quick. Like in the past three months with what happened it would go shock and numb, to crying and sadness, to anger - sometimes the shift would be quick and sometimes each one would take a couple of days. Each emotion would be separate. Similar to the 5 emotional stages of death. What I found out was that even though I would pass one stage and think I would progress onward through the 5 stages - that didn't happen. I could be at the anger stage then I'd think about something and end up in the first stage of shock again. It's weird. Then when the unemployment hearing came up and I had to relive everything again, I was back to the crying stage. Now I'm staying between anger and acceptance.
 
It has been brought to my attention that I am that way as well. Anger wells up and that's all I feel and it shows. Other people think I'm angry AT them, but I'm just angry. Well, unless they've done something objectively mean. I go from neutral to WHAM, with no "in between" - awkward; but that is how I describe it. Sometimes on a long phone call it comes over me unexpectedly too, because I don't like small talk much. I find it hard to describe, but it is a difficult part of my self.
 
One at a time for me, but I can switch between emotions pretty quick. Like in the past three months with what happened it would go shock and numb, to crying and sadness, to anger - sometimes the shift would be quick and sometimes each one would take a couple of days. Each emotion would be separate. Similar to the 5 emotional stages of death. What I found out was that even though I would pass one stage and think I would progress onward through the 5 stages - that didn't happen. I could be at the anger stage then I'd think about something and end up in the first stage of shock again. It's weird. Then when the unemployment hearing came up and I had to relive everything again, I was back to the crying stage. Now I'm staying between anger and acceptance.
I did that once, the quick switching when rather stressed out. What a nightmare! I was laughing for two minutes, crying for two, back to laughing then crying, and that went on for about an hour. I knew why I was upset but I had no idea what I was laughing about, for all I knew I was starting to lose my mind. Very exhausting.
 
I did that once, the quick switching when rather stressed out. What a nightmare! I was laughing for two minutes, crying for two, back to laughing then crying, and that went on for about an hour. I knew why I was upset but I had no idea what I was laughing about, for all I knew I was starting to lose my mind. Very exhausting.

I thought I had lost my mind because I was crying then screaming and I just wanted to curl up in a corner. That went on for about an hour. In my whole life I have never screamed - I thought I was going crazy. I just thank God I live alone, but the guy below me probably heard.
 
I thought I had lost my mind because I was crying then screaming and I just wanted to curl up in a corner. That went on for about an hour. In my whole life I have never screamed - I thought I was going crazy. I just thank God I live alone, but the guy below me probably heard.
Oh, goodness, yes! During that phase, I often thought of how rocking in a corner would be soothing. Somewhere nice and hidden. Which, looking back now, probably was a screaming sign of autism rather than losing my marbles. Never have been able to scream in frustration, my own voice sounds so alien sometimes it baffles me to the point I completely lose track of what I was feeling a moment ago.

At least we survived, no? =) Let's pray a situation never comes around again to put us right back there...
 

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