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Discussions with A.I.

Stochastic parrot is a double-edged concept: At which point depth of AI's data analysis matches human mind's depth, and how much our thinking really differs from AI's? Outside complexity of thought processes, that is. Honest questions, as my last knowledge about AI comes from times when they were still called "learning systems".

I'll keep on repeating things that I and you have said in this thread and elsewhere, but exactly because of that stochastic parrot effect I think that AIs are good only to pull out data by given search parameters, but they should not be used to create an opinion about anything. They are not that good yet.

They can appear to understand jokes and hidden meanings, but that is probably more of a statistical effect of such situations in training data than actual human-like thought processes.

Of course, AIs have got better, and make more and more deeper thinking, and they have started to avoid pitfalls of shallow data analysis. They have began to match NT thinking... which means that I have became more frustrated with them as they assume too much what I am talking about, or wanting to say, and they get it all wrong. And AIs used to be cool 🙄

I have more than once managed to teach ChatGPT to take a complete opposite "opinion" on the same facts. This teaching was, of course, only during my session and disappeared as soon as I deleted the discussion thread, but it did remind me of Microsoft's Tay ( Tay (chatbot) - Wikipedia ). If most people are stubborn about changing their opinions, then at least ChatGPT is faraway at the other end.

I loved the other ridiculous examples told in this thread, and I am worried about companies using AI in recruiting processes etc. If even current head-hunters resort to bullmanure personality analysis theories, what will AIs end up doing? Especially when they are taught by such head-hunters to specialize in head-hunting?
 
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Hypnalis said:
Is the one in this thread an Infantry support StuG III with the Stuk 37 gun?
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Correct. A Sturmgeschütz III Ausf B with a low-velocity 7.5cm StuK 37/L24 gun. With markings from the 1st SS Panzer Division, Northern Greece (April 1941). Towards the end of an era when both tank and self-propelled gun crews stopped wearing the distinctive Panzer beret with a rubberized base, in favor of other headgear not so cumbersome.

Though the entire line of the Sturmgeschütz III series would go to be documented as Germany's most successful tank hunter, despite it's modest origins.

The kit is from Tamiya (TAM 25143). A very fine kit, although I had to scratchbuild the interior given some of the hatches that were deliberately left open.
 
Is it possible that the same vehicle was used during the Anschluss in 1938?

I have an old memory of a B/W clip of an armored vehicle with a short gun (but definitely not an MG) crossing the Germany/Austria border.
At the time I didn't know anything about the StuG, so I assumed it was a Pz 3. But now I'm not so sure.
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Bonus question: Do you use some kind of heat-based system plastic?
I'm looking for something affordable to seal paracord, and it just occurred to me there might be modelling tools that could do it (I hate using lighters, and proper equipment is expensive).
 
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Hypnalis said:
Is it possible that the same vehicle was used during the Anschluss in 1938?

I have an old memory of a B/W clip of an armored vehicle with the short gun crossing the Germany/Austria border.
At the time I didn't know anything about the StuG, so I assumed it was a Pz 3. But now I'm not so sure.
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No. Production of the Ausführung (model/execution) of the Sturmgeschütz III series A/B came out in February,1940.

But there's a funny story to how the Nazis chose to enter Vienna depicting strength they didn't really have in 1938. That they simply paraded the same military vehicles over and over moving in circles all about the city both to deceive and impress those less enthusiastic about the Anschluss.
 
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AI has a puking problem. It vomits out regurgitated word salad from the internet. It is not a higher form of intelligence. It is programmed to be agreeable and to pull from other written things on the internet, whether good or bad, true or false, and form sentences out of it. AI is frequently wrong. In fact, the longer you speak to an AI model, the more errors it will have, more and more frequently, until it makes no sense at all.

So, in short, it's for entertainment only. And it's really really bad for the environment. They're thinking of putting a data center in a pristine area of Montana north of Billings, feeding from the Yellowstone river. Locals are fighting tooth and nail to block the development.
 
Yeshuasdaughter said:
AI has a puking problem. It vomits out regurgitated word salad from the internet. It is not a higher form of intelligence.
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Indeed. At this stage of development it seems more like a glorified search engine. One that is more likely to provide results than mainstream search engines, but with no guarantee of truth or accuracy, especially with conflicting explanations all across the Internet.

One of the best ways to put this to a test is to rephrase your query to see if you get a different response. Thus so many of my references to "garbage in, garbage out". Yet this is not to say that future development of AI *might* bring about something far more effective and complex.

-Or not.

Though keeping in mind that there are many other applications of AI that from a business model perspective seem to be working, and putting a lot of people out of work in the process.

So for now it seems more like a "carrot" to investment donkeys literally banking on the po$$ibility of artificial intelligence technology across a broad spectrum of applications.

With corporations like Microsoft and Nvidia who seemed to have abandoned pursuing their flagship products only to pursue lucrative equity over the possibilities of artificial intelligence. A hardcore reason to abandon Windows in favor of competitor computer operating systems.

Microsoft has abandoned their users with Windows 11, so why not abandon Microsoft? Probably the best decision I've made in years. And as I recall, you're a "Chrome OS" user anyways.
 
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Though the entire line of the Sturmgeschütz III series would go to be documented as Germany's most successful tank hunter, despite it's modest origins.
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Its low profile had something to do with its success, I believe.
Harder to hit and better for ambushes.
 
Judge said:
But there's a funny story to how the Nazis chose to enter Vienna depicting strength they didn't really have in 1938. That they simply paraded the same military vehicles over and over moving in circles all about the city both to deceive and impress those less enthusiastic about the Anschluss.
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Rommel did the same in Africa.
The Soviets did the same with bombers, creating panic in America. lol
 
Yeshuasdaughter said:
AI has a puking problem. It vomits out regurgitated word salad from the internet. It is not a higher form of intelligence. It is programmed to be agreeable and to pull from other written things on the internet, whether good or bad, true or false, and form sentences out of it. AI is frequently wrong. In fact, the longer you speak to an AI model, the more errors it will have, more and more frequently, until it makes no sense at all.
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Agreed.

"Garbage in...Garbage out..." all too often.
But I do find it a useful tool in combination with my critical thinking skills as well as personal experiences.
 
Judge said:
Indeed. At this stage of development it seems more like a glorified search engine. One that is more likely to provide results than mainstream search engines, but with no guarantee of truth or accuracy, especially with conflicting explanations all across the Internet.
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What I found disturbing is how frequently AI will reference Wikipedia!!! 😲
 
Jonn said:
Rommel did the same in Africa.
The Soviets did the same with bombers, creating panic in America. lol
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Yep. Poor Rommel. Tactical genius with perpetually inadequate logistics.

Probably the one most critical difference between him and Patton.
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Agreed.

"Garbage in...Garbage out..." all too often.
But I do find it a useful tool in combination with my critical thinking skills as well as personal experiences.
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Point taken. I'd be a liar if I said I don't use it all. Though I try to be selective about it. Usually sticking to more obscure, yet non-critical questions. Like the tank track color. Though sometimes I do get a "no-hit" response. And when I modify my query to get a very different answer it doesn't fill me with lots of confidence.

But then when you get right down to it, we're all just a rabble of beta-testers. :rolleyes:
 
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