any one else ever think about just leaving?

[1911]

So, does anyone else ever think about just leaving the civilized world? Just moving out the wilderness to escape the mindless drone life that seems to be whats expected.

I just done see ever getting any fulfilment from punching a time clock everyday, just to worry about weather or not the company will be there tomorrow.
Lets face it...modern life puts us all at the mercy of some moron making decisions that may put us out of a job. There has to be more than this.

 

[King_Oni]

I've thought about it a few times, but I don't really sure how to go about it. I guess if I were to pay off my college loan debts and such, tie loose ends, it would be more viable. Being on the run from the government because they still want money from me cause I'm off the grid doesn't really work that well.

Besides; I wouldn't even know where to go. Unlike some places on the globe, in this area (as in, this country and neighboring ones) there's barely any place that's "free". It seems everything is owned and you can't just go in the wilderness. I mean; over here you're not even allowed in forests after sunset. And as much as I can understand that "if you leave everything behind who cares?"... but the moment the authorities are involved again, you'll be forced into society just as fast again. We don't even have "backwoods" as such where people can go full on hermit.

So yeah, thought about it, but it just doesn't seem like a viable thing to do at all if I want to leave everything and be at peace.

 

[1911]

Well, as far as viable, I cant think of a way to do it solo eg; maintaining food supplies to allow a healthy body.
I suppose it would take an entire family, or a small community.
But its enjoyable to fantasize on.

But I do know that Alaska still does a homestead program. And the state also allows for sustenance hunting.

 

[bentHnau]

I'm actually planning to do this if I'm approved for SSI.

 

[Sander]

Wasn't Sev thinking about this too? If I'm not mistaking he posted something similar in 'How do you feel today' a little while ago.
For me, not a chance. I need socializing and the luxuries I have here I do enjoy. I'd never be able to leave and just live in the wild.

 

[Stacey]

I can relate to this particular post. I'd love to escape to the wilderness
...couldn't manage that, (obvious reasons) so I moved to a small town and didn't tell anyone for a while.
When that plan backfired, due to a severely tone deaf musician, I escaped once more...to a cul de sac. It's no desert island, with shark infested waters to ward off unexpected visitors, but it's quiet.

 

[Berianireth]

I used to dream about doing that. I decided it would be much more miserable than working (at least in certain settings) because I'd be in that weird limbo state I get into when I have nothing to do that I really enjoy anymore. I'm fine with nothing to do for awhile but it starts to get to me eventually. IDK
I think I'd rather strive for difficult job environments that suit me for a few select reasons, and hope that I get vacation time. I was appreciating how much more likely people with ASDs are to remain unmarried and childless yesterday because it occurred to me that most people that make what sounds like "a lot" of money-- even if they fit in wonderfully and have a lot of activities outside of work that I probably never will--
...well, they never get to spend any of their money on themselves. I on the other hand will be able to vacation in exotic locales if I play my cards correctly.

 

[Sev]

Wasn't Sev thinking about this too? If I'm not mistaking he posted something similar in 'How do you feel today' a little while ago.
For me, not a chance. I need socializing and the luxuries I have here I do enjoy. I'd never be able to leave and just live in the wild.

Yep, I posted something very similar to this I'm just glad I'm not the only one who's been having these kind of thoughts.

 

[Jimbo]

I would love to live in a log cabin out in the middle of nowhere. I have always loved just going for walks in the woods alone. I get tired of the rat race, struggling to pay bills. Seems so pointless.

 

[AgentPalpatine]

There's a reason that Walden is still one of the most popular pieces of American Literature.

Walden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Axeman52]

I would love to escape from civilization, but can't imagine how I would ever manage to survive in the wilderness.

 

[King_Oni]

I once talked to a therapist about my.. well, lack of interest to socialize and my general dislike for people (not that I hate any of you; I'm just not much of a people person). My therapist actually told me that the best option for me would probably to get a place in the middle of nowhere, hunt and grow my own food. That's how much of a hermit he thought I actually could be. And perhaps he's right; he just didn't really see any options for that considering my current location, nor the fact that there's pretty much no unowned land anywhere anymore (so money would be an issue).

Though, with laws and regulations in this country, even hunting laws are restrictive and you'd need to ask for a costly hunting permit. Which by itself defeats the purpose in that people who get permits are in it for the hunting sport. Chances are if you were to state you were hunting for food, you could even be denied a permit. Funny how these things tend to work the other way around like this. Being "out of the system" is being made impossible without any money nowadays.

I just think that if I were to leave everything behind I'd rather go by a "survival of the fittest" lifestyle and that might eventually turn up problematic because of implemented laws wherever you are (well, I assume there might be less laws in backwoods or a jungle).

I'm actually planning to do this if I'm approved for SSI.

But wouldn't that actually kinda defeat the purpose? If I understand correctly, if you're in the SSI "program" you're probably even more in the system than if you'd have a "regular" job. And as such, leaving everything behind probably means not being able to take part any obligations that might come if you have your SSI, which might in the long run mean you could lose your SSI again. (but then again, I don't know the laws and all regarding SSI; I'm just going by stuff I heard to similar suplmental income situations around the globe).

 

[Tarragon]

Maybe this is why "disaster movies" are so popular. Throw out the rules and just get on with it...

I have found myself a little flat which is quiet, and I have a small garden area which I have let the bushes grow high to block off any views from anyone else nearby. This little area is my "patch" of space. It's probably only about twenty feet by ten, but it's nice and I get to feed wild ducks from the nearby canal.

So, I've got the best of both worlds really. I have all the advantages of a modern lifestyle (well, ok, shelter, food, electricity, plumbing!) and a little bit of privacy where the outside world doesn't get to me.

I'm a vegetarian before anyone asks me about my ducks!!

I think that as a species, we are herd animals. Well, the vast majority of us are. Being apart from the herd properly nowadays is a problem with most countries heaving with people. What we need is a good old fashioned apocalypse and then we can reclaim our space! Id miss the Internet though.....

 

[bentHnau]

But wouldn't that actually kinda defeat the purpose? If I understand correctly, if you're in the SSI "program" you're probably even more in the system than if you'd have a "regular" job. And as such, leaving everything behind probably means not being able to take part any obligations that might come if you have your SSI, which might in the long run mean you could lose your SSI again. (but then again, I don't know the laws and all regarding SSI; I'm just going by stuff I heard to similar suplmental income situations around the globe).

Well, my purpose is to be away from large conglomerations of people and their noisy, dangerous, polluted cities, and that wouldn't be defeated. I'd much prefer to submit to having my name, mailing address, and bank account info in a government computer than having a regular job, and, as far as I know, SSA doesn't ask for much more than that. As I sit and think about it, it seems that having a job would keep me tied to the system more than being an SSI recipient living in the woods: I would be less likely to get away with having only a P.O. Box as an address, I'd have to be available by phone, I'd have to regularly interface with public transportation or deal with the Department of Motor Vehicles and car insurance companies, I'd have to be open to background checks, I'd have to deal with co-workers or at least a boss, I'd be living according to someone else's schedule, and I most likely would have to live in a city to be near jobs, in an apartment with a zillion other people because I've no hope of ever affording a house.

What we need is a good old fashioned apocalypse and then we can reclaim our space! Id miss the Internet though.....

Amen to that. I think I could survive without the Internet, though, especially since there wouldn't be much good content posted after an apocalypse.

 

[King_Oni]

Well, my purpose is to be away from large conglomerations of people and their noisy, dangerous, polluted cities, and that wouldn't be defeated. I'd much prefer to submit to having my name, mailing address, and bank account info in a government computer than having a regular job, and, as far as I know, SSA doesn't ask for much more than that. As I sit and think about it, it seems that having a job would keep me tied to the system more than being an SSI recipient living in the woods: I would be less likely to get away with having only a P.O. Box as an address, I'd have to be available by phone, I'd have to regularly interface with public transportation or deal with the Department of Motor Vehicles and car insurance companies, I'd have to be open to background checks, I'd have to deal with co-workers or at least a boss, I'd be living according to someone else's schedule, and I most likely would have to live in a city to be near jobs, in an apartment with a zillion other people because I've no hope of ever affording a house.

Perhaps I'm looking too much at the SSI (at least equivalent of it) in my country. Applying for SSI means you actively have to be out looking for a job 5 days a week and that by itself is way more stressful than actually having a job. SSI here means that you have to be on stand-by pretty much 24/7, so living in the backwoods might even be more of a nuisance.. (and I won't even get into a proposal the house of representatives once made where they wanted to make it a rule that you could be forced to move if it would increase chances of employment; declining might very well mean the end of your SSI). Though exceptions apply and I'm somewhat lucky to be among those exceptions for now.

And from my experience when I had a job; well, obviously, I had a schedule when to show up at work, I paid my taxes, but I didn't really feel I was in the system that much, opposed to now, where even my diagnosis was necessary for said SSI so I don't get the short end of the stick in the long run, something I hadn't considered back when I had a job.

But I guess the entire notion of being in the system is totally different nowadays. Years ago we thought social media were harmless, now we know it's different.

A related note on being part of a bigger system; Over here, pretty much everyone has a card to check in and out digitally when it comes to public transport, so effectively they can even monitor where you go. You can buy an anonymous card from a machine, but you can only pay with your bankcard, which... still leaves a "papertrail" to the bank account and essentially, your identity.

Maybe this is why "disaster movies" are so popular. Throw out the rules and just get on with it..

You're quite right with that.

Another aspect of the appeal of disastermovies in general is that there's just more of a focus towards a few things in life. It's pretty much "make sure you have food and protect yourself and your family". A lot of superficialities are thrown out. You don't make friends based on appearance or their smile. And everyone is more or less equal in terms of survival. Yes, some bring extra skills in the mix, but the distribution of skills and usability becomes redistributed within groups.

 

[bentHnau]

Perhaps I'm looking too much at the SSI (at least equivalent of it) in my country. Applying for SSI means you actively have to be out looking for a job 5 days a week and that by itself is way more stressful than actually having a job.

Yes, here in the U.S., one cannot be approved for SSI unless one is deemed too disabled to engage in "substantial" work, so there's no expectation whatsoever that recipients seek work.

I didn't really feel I was in the system that much, opposed to now, where even my diagnosis was necessary for said SSI so I don't get the short end of the stick in the long run, something I hadn't considered back when I had a job.

That is one part of being in the system that bothers me about disabled benefits: having to share psychological records with various officials of a government agency.

 

[Autism]

Had to laugh when I read the lines: would love to escape from civilization: because if there were real civilization we would not try to escape it.
Real civilization encourages and fosters differences, different people. We only want to escape when that is not present: hence we are not living within a civilization.

 

[syst3mcas3]

I once talked to a therapist about my.. well, lack of interest to socialize and my general dislike for people (not that I hate any of you; I'm just not much of a people person). My therapist actually told me that the best option for me would probably to get a place in the middle of nowhere, hunt and grow my own food. That's how much of a hermit he thought I actually could be. And perhaps he's right; he just didn't really see any options for that considering my current location, nor the fact that there's pretty much no unowned land anywhere anymore (so money would be an issue).

Though, with laws and regulations in this country, even hunting laws are restrictive and you'd need to ask for a costly hunting permit. Which by itself defeats the purpose in that people who get permits are in it for the hunting sport. Chances are if you were to state you were hunting for food, you could even be denied a permit. Funny how these things tend to work the other way around like this. Being "out of the system" is being made impossible without any money nowadays.

I just think that if I were to leave everything behind I'd rather go by a "survival of the fittest" lifestyle and that might eventually turn up problematic because of implemented laws wherever you are (well, I assume there might be less laws in backwoods or a jungle).



But wouldn't that actually kinda defeat the purpose? If I understand correctly, if you're in the SSI "program" you're probably even more in the system than if you'd have a "regular" job. And as such, leaving everything behind probably means not being able to take part any obligations that might come if you have your SSI, which might in the long run mean you could lose your SSI again. (but then again, I don't know the laws and all regarding SSI; I'm just going by stuff I heard to similar suplmental income situations around the globe).

Here in the states where I am from, you have to continue going to DR's appt.'s, so you're right, you couldn't really disappear and you need an address for them to spam your irl mailbox. Plus there are reviews you have to go to every 3-4 years to see if you're "still disabled" under they're law. It's all a huge joke. Sh!t moves SOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW with the american government. I am on SSI, and I didn't apply myself, my hospital did it for me, but I was lucky it took me 11 months to fight them, I have an amazing lawyer however. The first step in getting your SSI is applying, and getting denied. People can't seem to get the fact that there are lawyers standing by the ready to rip social security a new one though. They do this to discourage you so that you will stop applying. So, It just looks hard to get lol.

 

[LikeyouToMe]

I often think about just leaving everyone and everything behind, but being that I need to have human contact, affection and such, I couldn't do complete solace. I think my want is just to dump everything that causes me stress (work, other peoples problems, bills, money etc)

 

[Spinosaurus kin]

I happen to sometimes think about going into other realities, but I guess never actually leaving humanity as a whole.
Just some humans, the ones that frustrate me.