Visual Processing?

[Maelstrom]

I'm not referring to illusions or hallucinations, I was actually referring to interpretation of what I see. So how I understand what I am seeing and that I have difficulty with context. My eyes don't "see" something different, but my brain interprets it in a weird way because of difficulty with context.

The tendency toward Gestalt processing is not uncommon in autism, but it's not simple. The Gastalt thing- having difficulty seeing pieces in the context of the whole, is what really REALLY started to convince me and made me look into other processing topics.

Well Laz I think you could use it to make some really cool dream like paintings like Dalli or that jungle book cartoon with all the funny missmatched monsters and things. I say if your stuck with it find a way to do cool stuff with it.Ha ha! But what do I know some people like to think I'm a nutter...which I think is totally unfair, I like butter and jelly better, and I'm clearly more of a mad genius.

 

[Epicurean Pariah]

I'm not referring to illusions or hallucinations, I was actually referring to interpretation of what I see. So how I understand what I am seeing and that I have difficulty with context. My eyes don't "see" something different, but my brain interprets it in a weird way because of difficulty with context.

The tendency toward Gestalt processing is not uncommon in autism, but it's not simple. The Gastalt thing- having difficulty seeing pieces in the context of the whole, is what really REALLY started to convince me and made me look into other processing topics.

SoL, I hope I did not offend, not my intent. I simply have never experienced that kind of contextual anomaly of disconnect. I have probably experienced the other kind of disconnect far more than most. That may explain why my brain is toast.

 

[tree]

I'm not referring to illusions or hallucinations, I was actually referring to interpretation of what I see. So how I understand what I am seeing and that I have difficulty with context. My eyes don't "see" something different, but my brain interprets it in a weird way because of difficulty with context.

The tendency toward Gestalt processing is not uncommon in autism, but it's not simple. The Gastalt thing- having difficulty seeing pieces in the context of the whole, is what really REALLY started to convince me and made me look into other processing topics.

I can't tell if these are very similar to what you mean or not:

A. Seeing in 2-D. just flat. [There was a time when I entertained myself by
going from 3-D/2-D back & forth, just in an ordinary room. No perspective.]
B. Picking out all the little bits to talk about on a Rorschach
C. Seeing things wrong happens to me quite a bit when I am riding in a car, part of why
I don't drive.

 

[Maelstrom]

I can't tell if these are very similar to what you mean or not:

A. Seeing in 2-D. just flat. [There was a time when I entertained myself by
going from 3-D/2-D back & forth, just in an ordinary room. No perspective.]
B. Picking out all the little bits to talk about on a Rorschach
C. Seeing things wrong happens to me quite a bit when I am riding in a car, part of why
I don't drive.

I think Laz was refering more to her mind picking the wrong I. D. match on things, like if you see a orange cereal box and your brain tries to make it into your favorite orange ball. Is that right Laz ???

 

[Epicurean Pariah]

I think Laz was refering more to her mind picking the wrong I. D. match on things, like if you see a orange cereal box and your brain tries to make it into your favorite orange ball. Is that right Laz ???

Maelstrom, good to read you, the wife and I have spent about two days ay medical facilities, she has issues, difficult broken tooth extraction, cataract, Crystal lens and Lasik that went south and removal and replacement. It really pisses me off when we pay for the very best everything and these glitches arise.
As you may have guessed, I don't suffer fools and am not the least bit hesitant in voicing my opinion.
This weekend at the wife's family reunion. I may be incommunicado for a few days either due to the reunions socializations or an overdose of hemlock elixir that I'm distilling at the moment, so I can take sick before morning. Be back early next week. Take care.

 

[royinpink]

I think Laz was refering more to her mind picking the wrong I. D. match on things, like if you see a orange cereal box and your brain tries to make it into your favorite orange ball. Is that right Laz ???

Close, I think. She's talking about seeing the exact same thing physically (so a rectangle would still be a rectangle), but not recognizing it and interpreting it correctly.

Some illusions play on our ability to do this, I guess, like the two faces/vase or young woman/old woman illusions. What you recognize in the picture depends on which details you attend to or what you are primed to see. But in this case, the image is one and the same thing, not different parts of the same picture.

In her example, cherry blossom petals and teeth are nearly the same shape and color, from a distance. And because she isn't good at interpreting based on context, her brain accidentally took the 'teeth' interpretation.

 

[SignOfLazarus]

SoL, I hope I did not offend...

Not at all; my response was just to clarify- discussing this kind of thing can be a bit confusing since no one can "see" quite what others see [not right now anyway] and there are a lot of different terms that can be applied to each part of the subjective experience.

I was hoping to clarify what I meant here, since it may not have been clear given all those factors.

 

[tree]

"I think Laz was refering more to her mind picking the wrong I. D. match on things..."
Maelstrom that's what I am talking about in item C.

"C. Seeing things wrong happens to me quite a bit when I am riding in a car, part of why
I don't drive."

I don't mean...oopsie I missed reading whether that was Elm or Oak street.
I mean 'HEY WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?' Not recognizing objects. Or knowing the perspective ahead,
whether it's flat or concave or whatever.

 

[SignOfLazarus]

Close, I think. She's talking about seeing the exact same thing physically (so a rectangle would still be a rectangle), but not recognizing it and interpreting it correctly.
...
In her example, cherry blossom petals and teeth are nearly the same shape and color, from a distance. And because she isn't good at interpreting based on context, her brain accidentally took the 'teeth' interpretation.

Right. Thank you for helping with that explanation. Sometimes I find it difficult to explain from my own point of view but in a way that is easy for others to understand.

It's less likely to happen in a situation where I expect the objects/situations I run into and where I am very familiar with the environment. I haven't ever lived near a lot of trees like that, so it's not something I would know to look for: White things on the ground, certain time of year, look for tree.

Other times it's when someone is holding something in their hand and I don't know what it is or can't expect to guess what it is, when people are wearing unusual clothing I sometimes don't immediately recognize them as people but my brain will do something weird with the colors they are wearing or something.
This make me think a lot of prosopagnosia- difficulty seeing/distinguishing faces. I exprience it and it is most evident when I see people out of an expected place/context. I don't recognize people from work or school or my doctor at, say... a coffee shop.

I didn't recognize my best friend walking toward me because I had no expectation of seeing her where she was and she didn't say anything- it was also on the sidewalk 'in town' so my brain expects everyone I meet to be someone I don't know.

Occasionally my dog looks like a blanket if she is an unusual position [not just acts like one].
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I think Laz was refering more to her mind picking the wrong I. D. match on things, like if you see a orange cereal box and your brain tries to make it into your favorite orange ball. Is that right Laz ???

It's a similar function, yeah- hmmm. Another way that may help to look at it- if you can think of a time when you drank something but expected it to be something else? Your brain didn't let you taste the actual drink how you would normally, right?

So, if you pick up an opaque cup and expect it to be milk, but its orange juice, your brain kind of still tries to process it as milk initially- you may in the first second think your milk went bad. OR? you may not immediately interpret it as EITHER milk or orange juice. I hope that doesn't throw people off track For me it kind of explains a visual experience in terms of expectation/context and how my brain acts when it can't perceive an appropriate context to get extra information about a visual. [only with taste in a way] I would bet some people here have similar issues with auditory processing, too.

Thanks for helping with this royinpink. It was easier for me to explain more with that.

 

[SignOfLazarus]

I mean 'HEY WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?' Not recognizing objects. Or knowing the perspective ahead,
whether it's flat or concave or whatever.

*nodnodnod*
I can usually acommodate for this, myself- but I don't tend to do in city "fast" driving a lot even when I can. Also rain plays on this issue like WHOA.
So even when I drive, I tend to not drive in the rain even if it is relatively mild and I don't particularly like driving when it's just 'wet' out for the same reasons. The water/glare/changes in pavement and other surfaces can visually really throw me.

 

[Epicurean Pariah]

Close, I think. She's talking about seeing the exact same thing physically (so a rectangle would still be a rectangle), but not recognizing it and interpreting it correctly.

Some illusions play on our ability to do this, I guess, like the two faces/vase or young woman/old woman illusions. What you recognize in the picture depends on which details you attend to or what you are primed to see. But in this case, the image is one and the same thing, not different parts of the same picture.

In her example, cherry blossom petals and teeth are nearly the same shape and color, from a distance. And because she isn't good at interpreting based on context, her brain accidentally took the 'teeth' interpretation.

Royinpink, an excellent explanation, I understand now. I can see where that kind of issue is confusing and I must assume frustrating. The pictures made it clear to me, well done.

 

[Epicurean Pariah]

Not at all; my response was just to clarify- discussing this kind of thing can be a bit confusing since no one can "see" quite what others see [not right now anyway] and there are a lot of different terms that can be applied to each part of the subjective experience.

I was hoping to clarify what I meant here, since it may not have been clear given all those factors.

SoL, thank you, I appreciate you. Fine explanation.

 

[Maelstrom]

*nodnodnod*
I can usually acommodate for this, myself- but I don't tend to do in city "fast" driving a lot even when I can. Also rain plays on this issue like WHOA.
So even when I drive, I tend to not drive in the rain even if it is relatively mild and I don't particularly like driving when it's just 'wet' out for the same reasons. The water/glare/changes in pavement and other surfaces can visually really throw me.

It must be a little scary and stressful for both you and tree to go to strange places. I have a hard enough time with the few surprises in my life, I can't imagine what it would be like for my life to be a room full of jack in the boxes. So Laz and Tree do you think it's slow visual I.D. prosessing, or that the visual I.D. thing is a little sticky and doesn't like to switch, or both?

Some how my artistic side finds this thing fascinating, sort of like a living Dahli painting Sorry! I'm terrible but it would be cool for me to walk with you guys and hear all the strange combinations of things you see. Please don't be offended it's just a artistic thing nothing more. best wishes to you both Mael

 

[Epicurean Pariah]

"I think Laz was refering more to her mind picking the wrong I. D. match on things..."
Maelstrom that's what I am talking about in item C.

"C. Seeing things wrong happens to me quite a bit when I am riding in a car, part of why
I don't drive."

I don't mean...oopsie I missed reading whether that was Elm or Oak street.
I mean 'HEY WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?' Not recognizing objects. Or knowing the perspective ahead,
whether it's flat or concave or whatever.

How about confusing what do when you see a red or green traffic light?

 

[tree]

How about confusing what do when you see a red or green traffic light?

Not at all.
Those are colors.
And they indicate stop & go.
I don't have any confusion about stop or go.

A major difficulty for me is direction.
Left/right.
I know the words, but it's as likely I will say 'right' when I mean 'left,'
so I avoid saying either. If you're with me, we will go "that way" (pointing).

My sister is a nurse and says she has a similar difficulty with the words.
When she has to indicate on charts which a skin problem is on a patient,
she has to do some walking around/position her body so that she is standing
in the same relationship to the injury and go think deliberately about which
word to use before she enters the data.

She makes jokes about "the other left."

 

[tree]

"what the hell is it? what does it want?"
original caption, on reddit

Basically me responding to items I see while riding in car.
Yeah, I am that first bird...

https://imgur.com/height%3D360%3Bid%3DkFYw98c%3Btype%3Dgifv%3Bwidth%3D640

 

[Datura]

major difficulty for me is direction.
Left/right.
I know the words, but it's as likely I will say 'right' when I mean 'left,'
so I avoid saying either. If you're with me, we will go "that way" (pointing).

LOL! That is so me.
The worst is when I ask, "So, I turn left here?", and the other person says, "Right!"
Sometimes I think we need to revise the English language.

 

[Progster]

"what the hell is it? what does it want?"
original caption, on reddit

Basically me responding to items I see while riding in car.
Yeah, I am that first bird...

https://imgur.com/height%3D360%3Bid%3DkFYw98c%3Btype%3Dgifv%3Bwidth%3D640

I understand that this is being used to illustrate a point being made... but is there any way to stop the video from moving?

 

[tree]

I understand that this is being used to illustrate a point being made... but is there any way to stop the video from moving?

It may eventually time out.
And even sooner than that,
there will be another page, if
looking at it bothers anyone.