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Questions About Coding

Out of curiosity for a while I tried to learn html....to make basic web pages, create graphics and media and to include content from the basis and while I didn't continue on, in my opinion it seems like it is the first point for understanding everything else about coding and there are tons of resources to learn it from the ground up. You don't have to get certification or attend a fancy college program: the information is easy to access, and start up companies don't care as much about your certifications as they do about how well you can build something. But I'd suggest really messing around with HTML and it will tell you a lot about whether it's something you want to pursue. It's not my thing so I didn't go too deep with it, but learned enough to see why it is important.
 
Given that this is an area in which national security and our corporate overlords are concerned...our opinions on the matter probably are not going to influence the end result. Trillions of dollars have already been invested...and as they say, "Money talks and the BS walks". These giant corporations are looking for an ROI within 5 years...so this is going to happen and happen quickly...water consumption, noise pollution, stress on the grid, associated costs and harm...it won't matter.

From what I've read recently, AI companies have been buying up land all over the place but given the miniscule monetary return on their investment, they are abandoning construction plans. Private citizens are filing nuisance lawsuits for the noise alone and pressuring politicians not to fall for this dubious scheme. Public resistance is getting some traction in my state. ROI in 5 years is just wishful thinking, IMHO.
 
Out of curiosity for a while I tried to learn html....to make basic web pages, create graphics and media and to include content from the basis and while I didn't continue on, in my opinion it seems like it is the first point for understanding everything else about coding and there are tons of resources to learn it from the ground up.

Absolutely. First and foremost because one can feel a sense of accomplishment with HTML and CSS. To get a tangible sense of where their knowledge can take them, visually and functionally speaking.

In essence, many may find it to be a fun and most of all creative hobby. When I started out learning it on my own, I never gave a thought to making a living by it. That would come later. I just had a blast making something on such a different level compared to painting or drawing.

Conversely learning Java Script without having mastered HTML seems pointless. It serves no purpose without that foundation of HTML. Making most attempts to understand it an abstraction at best, unless one already had experience in other programming languages like BASIC.
You don't have to get certification or attend a fancy college program: the information is easy to access, and start up companies don't care as much about your certifications as they do about how well you can build something.

Yes and no. It is possible to learn such things entirely on your own if you're clever and bright enough.

However it may amount to a rather bold assertion in a tight labor market. Not to mention that people who desperately need a steady job may be taking an enormous risk with settling for a start-up in such a competitive industry. It's possible, but to be entirely self-taught it means both learning and mastering many disciplines of website design.

While I was already creating websites before I went to tech school for certification, in hindsight I came to understand how much more I learned formally than on my own. And the technology now is so much more complex than it was around the turn of the century. Yet while it took longer than I thought, I did get a job with a well-known corporation and product that most everyone has heard of.

It is possible. However it also means when you have to give them access to your portfolio website, and an astute employer is most likely not only to see your work, but also look at your source code. To see how sophisticated and organized your code may- or may not be. Telling them in effect what you really either do or don't know, apart from what they can see visually in terms of how creative or not you are.

If you're desperate enough, I suppose this may look attractive. Just understand that it doesn't mean you can take any "shortcuts" either. That you have to master both client and server side technologies. And you may have to learn and master some WYSIWYG apps (like Dreamweaver) in the process.

That if you tell them you're only comfortable with HTML, CSS and Java Script alone, that your interview could be rather short. And then to consider that individual employers may be dependent on certain proprietary technologies that you may have to learn on the job. Something I ran into being hired as a web designer. Which amounted to a lot of pressure to learn and implement things like Microsoft SQL and ASP at the same time. Then came Macromedia Flash...which I found very difficult, despite having been exposed to Macromedia Shockwave in tech school.

This all amounts to a commitment on the OP's behalf if she is willing to attempt this without any formal training. And it can't be approached as if it was some kind of "get rich quick" scheme. If you don't have the chops to do the job, a prospective employer will weed it out most likely through that initial interview where they take a very close look at your work.

One last thing. If the employer you interview with involves creative artwork, it means having some notable creativity in your portfolio website, requiring mastering bitmap graphics programs like Photoshop. Even more complex applications if they also expect you to incorporate multimedia into the websites you design. Incorporating graphics, animation and sound into a single website.

- Which was the job I had in the SF Bay area where employer expectations remain high to this day. I certainly didn't learn it all, but I learned enough to be functional based on my employer's demands and expectations.

I think it would be cruel to sell the idea that this is an easy "Do-It-Yourself get rich quick scheme". It's not.
 
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Having to learn all these languages seems overwhelming. It's like being told (assuming you're native language is English) that you need to learn Spanish, French, and Dutch because these will be easier to learn than some other harder languages to get a good foundation in language learning, but that you still will most likely be incapable of obtaining a job and must proceed to learn Japanese, Korean and Arabic before placing any job applications.😳
 
From what I've read recently, AI companies have been buying up land all over the place but given the miniscule monetary return on their investment, they are abandoning construction plans. Private citizens are filing nuisance lawsuits for the noise alone and pressuring politicians not to fall for this dubious scheme. Public resistance is getting some traction in my state. ROI in 5 years is just wishful thinking, IMHO.
I was watching the local news last night and they did a story on this topic. A small, rural community in the middle of our state vs a massive, corporate AI data center. Obviously, this was about zoning and acquisition of property for this build...and the community was nearly 100% against it. We will see...

Of course, rural communities are against any form of industry moving into their area...they are living there to get away from all of that.
 
Having to learn all these languages seems overwhelming. It's like being told (assuming you're native language is English) that you need to learn Spanish, French, and Dutch because these will be easier to learn than some other harder languages to get a good foundation in language learning, but that you still will most likely be incapable of obtaining a job and must proceed to learn Japanese, Korean and Arabic before placing any job applications.😳

It wasn't easy. But my creative drive is probably what kept me going to learn what I needed and most of all to be hired. To have pride in creating something tangible.

It's why structure in a formal vocational program is the optimal way to go. If not, with limited resources you can be self-taught. However I have to emphasize you cannot take shortcuts in such an endeavor. That you have to have a serious understanding of the skills you will likely need just to get your foot in the door of most prospective employers.

Your best bet is to study exactly what is expected to know in this present labor market relative to website creation. Not computer programming. It may not look so grim once you figure this out. Though as I pointed out, there's always a possibility that an employer uses a proprietary technology that you'll simply have to learn on the fly. It happens...I know. It's always a possibility in this day and age.

One thing though, always understand that many employers will always "ask for the moon" on paper or online. They all want the same thing. The best employee for the least amount of effort on their part. The trick isn't not to be intimidated by it all. It's just to accept it as part of the process.
 
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I was watching the local news last night and they did a story on this topic. A small, rural community in the middle of our state vs a massive, corporate AI data center. Obviously, this was about zoning and acquisition of property for this build...and the community was nearly 100% against it. We will see...

Of course, rural communities are against any form of industry moving into their area...they are living there to get away from all of that.

The internal local politics of such plans....quite often at odds with their own constituents. But then the revenue derived from such business ventures is like candy to a child who just happens to hold local public office.

A classic explanation of Northern Nevada....who panders on a serious level to such business entities.

Where rent$ outpace availability of single-family homes. Meanwhile travel along Vista Blvd and Interstate 80 gets worse every year. And if the Panasonic/Tesla battery factory were to get up and move elsewhere, it could amount to a fiscal disaster to the state, let alone the county.
 
It just seems like so much effort for something that is sooooo boring. I don't know how I can ever make the ADHD part of my brain sit through all that. I like learning real languages, but all that computer gibberish just gets so annoying. Maybe retail really is the only place for me but I don't think I can hold up to the hard manual labor of unloading trucks anymore. It seems to have aggravated my heart mummer. I NEED a job.
 
Having to learn all these languages seems overwhelming. It's like being told (assuming you're native language is English) that you need to learn Spanish, French, and Dutch because these will be easier to learn than some other harder languages to get a good foundation in language learning, but that you still will most likely be incapable of obtaining a job and must proceed to learn Japanese, Korean and Arabic before placing any job applications.😳
Unlike natural languages, you don't have to learn a new vocabulary when you switch from one programming language to another. They're all a bit different, but they have a lot in common.

What you should be thinking about right now is understanding some important differences between differant classes of "Computer Languages".

For example, between "logic languages" (Python, Java, Golang); Data Description (XML); text formatting (HTML); data retrieval (SQL); etc
The "Ls" in XML, HTML, and SQL all stand for language, but none of those are useful for coding logic.

Read this and see if you can figure out some of the differences:
Computer language - Wikipedia
This isn't bad:
General-purpose programming language - Wikipedia

But a word of warning:
Programmers fully deserve their reputation for producing documentation that is only useful if you don't need it.
It's an example of "Catch-22" in human communication. And of one end of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

The only fast way to fully comprehend even those short articles is to have someone show you examples and explain what they're used for.

This will help a bit, but it's also full of nonsense.
Domain-specific language - Wikipedia

An example of the nonsense - I found this in the second paragraph:
PostScript is a Turing-complete language, and in principle can be used for any task

It's a true statement, and makes perfect sense to me (and some others here) - but not to anyone who isn't already fairly skilled in IT and programming languages.
Functionally it's "negative information" for anyone who actually needs to read that article.
That is: reading and trying to understand it leaves such a person knowing less than before you read it, and also somewhat confused.

So while reading all three linked articles, only pay attention to what is immediately clear in purpose and meaning.
If that leads you to rejecting the entire article it's my mistake in selecting it.
 
I like learning real languages, but all that computer gibberish just gets so annoying. Maybe retail really is the only place for me but I don't think I can hold up to the hard manual labor of unloading trucks anymore. It seems to have aggravated my heart mummer. I NEED a job.

If you really feel that way, my advice would be to simply forget about learning much of anything involved with high technology on a level where you must learn some degree of programming. Learning something you have little or no interest in is just a part of adult education. Sometimes you can skirt past it, sometimes not.

You give me the impression you could probably sail past HTML, but that Java Script and PHP would bring you to a grinding halt. It was "computer gibberish" to me as well, but I knew I had to learn it no matter what. Much like struggling much later with Macromedia Flash, which involved a little of everything. Nearly overwhelmed me on the job.

Psssst! In reality I often used Java Script from others who crafted it from scratch and then altered it for my own individual use. Same with PHP. Had I actually had to create it all from scratch that would have likely exceeded my abilities. LOL...my bad! I guess I did cut some of those corners. :oops:

What about something more mechanical in mind? Though even automotive technology involves using sophisticated diagnostic equipment, but no programming is involved. Where a lot of the learning process involves "hands-on learning".
 
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It just seems like so much effort for something that is sooooo boring.
It definitely is. And web design is extremely competitive right now. It was easier to get into, and now they want you to have 5 years of experience with every single technology and to swear by loving it and only wanting to do that for years and not be interested in anything else. I applied for website design and maintainance last year. It's impossible to get into nowadays as a junor developer. AI also took place of all the juniors. Similarly in graphic design. AI art isn't the best quality, but most of the demand is for low quality cheap art, not something that actually looks good.

I don't have other ideas right now. It's just so hard to get a job recently.

Or... the trend now is to make websites in Wordpress. It's easy. You can see for yourself. No to little coding. You just use a graphical interface and install plugins. If it doesn't work out, at least you won't invest a year or more into learning it. There are other good content management systems on the market too like Wix.
 
I don't have any interest in being a programmer. I just need to be considered fit to hire for some kind of job that doesn't wear my physical health (heart mummer, bad knee) down further and that my processing speed can handle.
 
I don't have any interest in being a programmer. I just need to be considered fit to hire for some kind of job that doesn't wear my physical health (heart mummer, bad knee) down further and that my processing speed can handle.

Have you simply given up on various lab jobs? That seemed like a good fit for you, though much like my experience in web design I suspect employers are looking for solid vocational training in an absence of on-the-job experience.

I like the possibility of such jobs working at a slower pace. Something I never encountered as an adult working full-time.

I did work as a warehouseman right out of college. Graduating into a terrible economy. With a tight-knit blue-collar clique who always referred to me as "college-boy". It was a grim situation and quickly taught me that manual labor jobs were not for me. But at the time it was the only work I could find.

Unaware that the employment I really sought would directly reach out to me, but only after a few years of work experience after college. Eventually they called on me out of the blue, and caught me by surprise. Though halfway through an elaborate and intrusive hiring process, I elected to drop out.
 
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Am I a lazy?

That may be more of a relative term than you think. ;)

Too bad a disheveled German physicist wasn't here to comment on that. I suspect he was accused of something similar at times. Apparently he was indeed....

" Yes, Albert Einstein was often considered lazy by some of his professors, particularly Hermann Minkowski, who described him as a "lazybones" and noted his lack of effort in mathematics during his studies. Despite this perception, Einstein went on to achieve remarkable success in physics."

"There is speculation that Albert Einstein may have exhibited symptoms consistent with ADHD, such as disorganization, forgetfulness, and impulsivity. His unique cognitive traits and intense focus on his interests align with characteristics often associated with ADHD."

Don't get too discouraged. You just have to find your real niche and figure out how to go for it. Which might involve some "out-of-the-box" thought processes. :)

- Duck Duck Go AI Search Assist
 
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That may be more of a relative term than you think. ;)

Too bad a disheveled German physicist wasn't here to comment on that. I suspect he was accused of something similar at times. Apparently he was indeed....

" Yes, Albert Einstein was often considered lazy by some of his professors, particularly Hermann Minkowski, who described him as a "lazybones" and noted his lack of effort in mathematics during his studies. Despite this perception, Einstein went on to achieve remarkable success in physics."

"There is speculation that Albert Einstein may have exhibited symptoms consistent with ADHD, such as disorganization, forgetfulness, and impulsivity. His unique cognitive traits and intense focus on his interests align with characteristics often associated with ADHD."

Don't get too discouraged. You just have to find your real niche and figure out how to go for it. :)

- Duck Duck Go AI Search Assist
It's funny that you should make that comparison. I had a cousin that used to call me Einstein when we were growing up.
As for the lab jobs, I still hope to work at a lab, but it doesn't seem to be going so well right now. There are not a lot of local opportunities, and the few that are within a reasonable distance either didn't respond, have not had openings, or are in a field I am not really comfortable with. Additionally, I can't get my new resume to load on Indeed so most of my applications can't use my updated resume that includes my Biowork Certificate.
 
It's funny that you should make that comparison. I had a cousin that used to call me Einstein when we were growing up.
As for the lab jobs, I still hope to work at a lab, but it doesn't seem to be going so well right now. There are not a lot of local opportunities, and the few that are within a reasonable distance either didn't respond, have not had openings, or are in a field I am not really comfortable with.

For what it's worth regarding the lab jobs, I think you need a more comprehensive vocational program to supplement your resume.

Which oddly enough is exactly what happened to me. When I first decided I wanted a job in web design, I signed up for a program with a private tutor in what I perceived was a formal program. But it was really quite abbreviated compared to my later decision to apply to a program that would formally certify me that many prospective employers were aware of.

It was a good decision on my part, though my poor ability in job interviews made looking for work difficult. But my patience and perseverance ultimately paid off.

One thing for sure in life in the 21st century. You MUST figure out a way to have consistent access to a PC running Windows to get even the most basic experience of using such a common OS, apart from being able to run far more applications that may not be available for mobile use.
 
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That's the thing though; I can't get any more education until after I am working a job unless it is a free program and I can do it preferably from home. That doesn't allow for training that involves hands on learning. Most of the things I enjoy and would probably pick up easily involve hands on training. I have some basic idea of what I was hoping to work towards long-term. What I need right now is a job that a person could get straight out of high school and /or by simply studying some free online tutorials or something.
 
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That's the thing though; I can't get any more education until after I am working a job unless it is a free program and I can do it preferably from home. That doesn't allow for training that involves hands on learning. Most of the things I enjoy and would probably pick up easily involve hands on training.

"Catch-22". Which unfortunately leaves you to do only one thing. Seek any kind of employment that hires you. With knowing that you will do it for a time to build your resume, then move on to another job that pays better. "Rinse and repeat".

Then with enough money and drive, to educate yourself formally while working. Not easy.

Leaving you with a common denominator of honing your interview skills (I know...ugh!) and figuring out types of employment that work for you that are actually available in your area.

Though it appears there will soon be a glut of arduous, but available manual labor jobs. Just a matter of how desperate or not you become with time.
 

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