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So it's a normal practice to prescribe antidepressants for chronic pain. I wonder why I've never heard of it. I have chronic pain, and I'm on anti-depressants. Doesn't work for me! :eek:

Your statement about all of the shooters being on antidepressants can have many interpretations. I'm not necessarily arguing with you, but it's worth reconsidering your knee-jerk assumption on what the facts imply.
 
I'm not a friend of Big Pharma. I've tried their drugs before, and some of them had nasty side effects. Swollen feet, visual migraine. They did nothing for mood.

I dabbled a bit hard with drugs and when hard stress hit, I hit hard drugs, and am detoxing off diazepam, probably one of the most dangerous drugs out there.

Heroin's bad enough but it doesn't affect internal systems like Diazepam, you can't just come off it without nasty withdrawals.

I even want to get off my hrt.

All in good time.

I have been thinking about bipolar as my brother has it, a friend has it, I know there are two types.

Conventional allopathic medicine throws drugs at it.

To me, mental illness is a spiritual disease, or dis-ease. I am borderline personality disorder, probably from masking my identity due to obscure traits I now know to be Asperger's.

I like to take a more eastern approach, and Western non medicine, I am looking into bodywork.
 
.....Your statement about all of the shooters being on antidepressants can have many interpretations.... it's worth reconsidering your knee-jerk assumption on what the facts imply.

There is no assumption, none at all.
I apologize that you DID NOT SEE where I did mention that it is easily googled.

Had a bit of time today so did it for you!
:)

2019/09/37-mass-shooters-who-were-on-antidepressants/

“Luvox, Paxil and other antidepressants made the top 10 list of violence-inducing RX drugs in a report from the Institute for Safe Medication Practices, which was based on data from the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System (see “Study Reveals Top Ten Violence-Inducing Prescription Drugs [– Eight Are Psychiatric Drugs]”).

The Real Lesson of Columbine: Psychiatric Drugs Induce Violence – Citizens Commission on Human Rights of Colorado

This list is from one of the two links above, most can find some that have been asked about in this list:

As reported in Time, the top ten list is as follows:

10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) – antidepressant affects serotonin... The drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence

9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) – An antidepressant that treats anxiety disorders. The drug is 8.3 times more likely to be associated with violence

8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) – A selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) drug that is 8.4 times more likely to be associated with violence

7. Triazolam (Halcion) – A benzodiazepine drug for insomnia that is 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

6. Atomoxetine (Strattera) – An ADHD drug that is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

5. Mefoquine (Lariam) – A malaria drug is 9.5 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

4. Amphetamines This general class of ADHD drug is 9.6 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

3. Paroxetine (Paxil) – An SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs. :eek::eek::eek:It is also linked to severe withdrawal symptoms and birth defects.

2. Fluoxetine (Prozac) – A popular SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

1. Varenicline (Chantix) – An anti-smoking drug that is a shocking 18 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
——————————————-

...and another...., I believe you can get the point without more posting and eating up all the internet space. Please, if you do need more heck I will google - or you (anyone not just Fino) can if you trust it better.

The link below is to the info below, honestly I stopped it got so long, much longer than what I’ve put here and I did cut some of the repetitive words.

list-of-45-mass-murders-and-pharma-drugs-they-were-on/


-Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

-Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil ...held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

-Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

-Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

-Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

-Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

-Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

-A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand-off at his school.

-Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.

-A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another. :eek:

-Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

-TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

-Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

-James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls,

-Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.

-Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California.

-Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

-Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

-Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.:confused:

-Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
(Court ordered???? What the??? A court can do this?)

-Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide. But two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

-Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

-Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems.(huh? Gallstones?) Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

-Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

-Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”).

-Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself).


-Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

-Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.:eek::eek::eek:

-Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

-Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while taking Zoloft...before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia.(??? Huh) He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

-A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
+++++++++++++++++++


This list continues, I got tired of it to be honest. You can clearly see, if you wish to find more on this it’s easy, and that to me is very sad and alarming!
 
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I'm not a friend of Big Pharma. I've tried their drugs before, and some of them had nasty side effects. Swollen feet, visual migraine. They did nothing for mood.

I dabbled a bit hard with drugs and when hard stress hit, I hit hard drugs, and am detoxing off diazepam, probably one of the most dangerous drugs out there.

Heroin's bad enough but it doesn't affect internal systems like Diazepam, you can't just come off it without nasty withdrawals.

I even want to get off my hrt.

All in good time.

I have been thinking about bipolar as my brother has it, a friend has it, I know there are two types.

Conventional allopathic medicine throws drugs at it.

To me, mental illness is a spiritual disease, or dis-ease. I am borderline personality disorder, probably from masking my identity due to obscure traits I now know to be Asperger's.

I like to take a more eastern approach, and Western non medicine, I am looking into bodywork.
Got to disagree there is a form of depression purely from physical exhaustion .
 
There is no assumption, none at all.
I apologize that you DID NOT SEE where I did mention that it is easily googled.

Had a bit of time today so did it for you!
:)

2019/09/37-mass-shooters-who-were-on-antidepressants/

“Luvox, Paxil and other antidepressants made the top 10 list of violence-inducing RX drugs in a report from the Institute for Safe Medication Practices, which was based on data from the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System (see “Study Reveals Top Ten Violence-Inducing Prescription Drugs [– Eight Are Psychiatric Drugs]”).

The Real Lesson of Columbine: Psychiatric Drugs Induce Violence – Citizens Commission on Human Rights of Colorado

This list is from one of the two links above, most can find some that have been asked about in this list:

As reported in Time, the top ten list is as follows:

10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) – antidepressant affects serotonin... The drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence

9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) – An antidepressant that treats anxiety disorders. The drug is 8.3 times more likely to be associated with violence

8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) – A selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) drug that is 8.4 times more likely to be associated with violence

7. Triazolam (Halcion) – A benzodiazepine drug for insomnia that is 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

6. Atomoxetine (Strattera) – An ADHD drug that is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

5. Mefoquine (Lariam) – A malaria drug is 9.5 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

4. Amphetamines This general class of ADHD drug is 9.6 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

3. Paroxetine (Paxil) – An SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs. :eek::eek::eek:It is also linked to severe withdrawal symptoms and birth defects.

2. Fluoxetine (Prozac) – A popular SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

1. Varenicline (Chantix) – An anti-smoking drug that is a shocking 18 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
——————————————-

...and another...., I believe you can get the point without more posting and eating up all the internet space. Please, if you do need more heck I will google - or you (anyone not just Fino) can if you trust it better.

The link below is to the info below, honestly I stopped it got so long, much longer than what I’ve put here and I did cut some of the repetitive words.

list-of-45-mass-murders-and-pharma-drugs-they-were-on/


-Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

-Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil ...held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

-Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

-Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

-Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

-Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

-Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

-A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand-off at his school.

-Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.

-A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another. :eek:

-Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

-TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

-Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

-James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls,

-Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.

-Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California.

-Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

-Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

-Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.:confused:

-Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
(Court ordered???? What the??? A court can do this?)

-Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide. But two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

-Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

-Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems.(huh? Gallstones?) Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

-Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

-Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”).

-Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself).


-Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

-Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.:eek::eek::eek:

-Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

-Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while taking Zoloft...before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia.(??? Huh) He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

-A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
+++++++++++++++++++


This list continues, I got tired of it to be honest. You can clearly see, if you wish to find more on this it’s easy, and that to me is very sad and alarming!

Thank you for the interesting post, but you misunderstood what I said. I did not contest the facts. I contested your interpretation of the facts.
 
Thank you for the interesting post, but you misunderstood what I said. I did not contest the facts. I contested your interpretation of the facts.


Okay, I have absolutely no idea what your point is, sorry but it’s lost on me.

took a lot of time writing thinking I was clarifying the point. Wasted both our time.

this is where I toss my hands up, and move on.

Have a good week Fino, I’m done.
 
Do you live in a place where medical marijuana is?
I do but it effects me differently from when i smoked in my late teens, All i get now is extremely paranoid and Anxiety beyond comprehension. My heart starts to race so fast and i cant get it to stop to the point where i called the police on myself because i was sure i was gonna die. Its horrible so i cant use it anymore like i used to sadly.
 

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