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Jonn said:
Why are you asking me? 🤔;)
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I wasn't. I was addressing Ronald's post, as he seems to buy the government's curt explanation.

Of course the ten-ton gorilla in the room isn't one that can be hidden. Those persons in British society who were Nazi sympathizers. Not something even the SAS could sweep under a rug historically speaking.

The help Hess got to fly as far as he did wasn't likely just pure dumb luck. And it involved resources far beyond what the Luftwaffe could accommodate at the time.
 
Judge said:
That only addresses his identity, but it doesn't explain other aspects of both his life and death in British custody. And whatever coverup followed, all the way to Spandau.
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You would think the British government would have killed Hess rather than hand him over to the ruskies because of "The Consequences" of how influential ppl in Britain wanted an agreement with Hitler to fight them.

Judge said:
And perhaps the greatest question of all. Did Britain immediately dismiss Hess' proposition, or did they seriously entertain it? Much as Churchill and King George VI mulled over surrender or negotiated peace with Hitler in 1940.

Whether or not Britain momentarily entertained the idea...and whether or not Stalin knew it happened.
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Some say Hitler allowed the British to escape from Dunkirk to gain favour with the Brits.

Judge said:
I'm not asserting this mystery will ever be truly solved. But I'm stoked to see others publishing so much of this story that remained hushed for so many years. I've never been one for conspiracy theories in general, with the exception of this one.
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What about the "Deep State" or the influence of the Military Industrial Complex on government policies that Eisenhower alluded to?
 
Jonn said:
You would think the British government would have killed Hess rather than hand him over to the ruskies because of "The Consequences" of how influential ppl in Britain wanted an agreement with Hitler to fight them.
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I don't know. That's another fascinating aspect of the mystery itself. And whether or not such an event did or could have involved Russia's NKVD. Or whether or not Stalin was wise to what was happening in real time. Not to mention Lavrentiy Beria had "feelers" out in every direction.

As for other conspiracies, I have no interest in discussing them in this thread. Only this one.
 
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Judge said:
I wasn't. I was addressing Ronald's post, as he seems to buy the government's curt explanation.
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Damn!
You missed my joke. lol
Judge said:
Of course the ten-ton gorilla in the room isn't one that can be hidden. Those persons in British society who were Nazi sympathizers. Not something even the SAS could sweep under a rug historically speaking.

The help Hess got to fly as far as he did wasn't likely just pure dumb luck. And it involved resources far beyond what the Luftwaffe could accommodate at the time.
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It does sound like there was some complicity.
 
Jonn said:
It does sound like there was some complicity.
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There had to be. On a very high level of British military defense. With some "colorful influence" from certain posh personalities with a penchant for fascism.

Hess was flying in a lowly Me 110 all by himself. The RAF could have turned him into Swiss cheese in all that time he was in British airspace. That's what makes the government's uptake from the beginning so rotten.
 
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Judge said:
There had to be. On a very high level of British military defense. With some "colorful influence" from certain posh personalities with a penchant for fascism.

Hess was flying in a lowly Me 110 all by himself. The RAF could have turned him into Swiss cheese in all that time he was in British airspace. That's what makes the government's uptake from the beginning so rotten.
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He timed his travel so he would arrive at night.
How advanced was night-fighting at that time?

Yes, I could Google, but where is the fun in that?
 
Jonn said:
He timed his travel so he would arrive at night.
How advanced was night-fighting at that time?

Yes, I could Google, but where is the fun in that?
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Both Germany and Britain had radar at the time, which also worked at night. They generally avoided engaging in night fighting, but they had to be aware of his authorized presence.

So they wouldn't have just ignored any incoming bogey that deep into Britain.

But then that produces yet another mystery. Who allowed it to happen versus more vigilant members of their armed forces who were not in that particular loop, yet were likely as aware of an incoming unidentified aircraft penetrating their airspace?

Or perhaps somehow some green officers and enlisted personnel just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and didn't know any better. Which reminded me of another incident just months later where young Lieutenant was contacted about a large bogey coming in from the north towards Pearl Harbor.

The poor guy who surmised," That must be that flight of B-17s". Oops. :eek:
 
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