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LittleFiddle05

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Alright I'll start by saying, I'm not even sure if I'm doing this right. Computers are not something I ever got into - I can use facebook like any other 20-year-old, but generally I like to stick to what I know, and had my psychologist not suggested it, I never would have had the courage to explore a new community.

That said, hello! My name is Emily, I was just diagnosed with Asperger's last Thursday, so aside from watching countless youtube videos, I still know very little. I'd really like to change that, especially because all I know so far are the extremes; I feel like a fake. I've had friendships - far too few and very unhealthy, but friendships nonetheless. I have a boyfriend. I'm excel in my classes, I'm technically functional and I've learned to express both my emotions and my interpretations of the emotions of others; in fact, prior to my diagnosis I'd changed my major to psychology, something I'd wanted to pursue in high school but had decided against due to the price of grad school. I don't feel like I fit here; I don't fit with neurotypicals, but perhaps I'm not Aspie enough to fit among Aspies, either. I want to get to know any in-between that there may be; I want to fit.

More than anything else, I'm tired of being alone. I'm relatively low on the spectrum from what I understand, and the symptoms apply to me so mildly that I feel out of place even presenting myself here... My parents were both from very low-income families, and my mother now teaches in a rather wealthy town, so she was always VERY aware of what was and was not socially acceptable - she'd had to relearn because of her economic status, and even before I could talk she was telling me how a proper lady should behave. Then at the age of 3 I started learning to play the violin, and concerts gave me an even clearer demonstration of expectations; by the time I was in school, I had a very clear understanding of behaviors expected by adults, and though i was awkward and talked endlessly, I wasn't shy or a problem student. I can't claim that Asperger's disrupted my functioning as a student, and I was so oblivious and content in being different that it's affected me more in later life than it ever did initially. From kindergarden through third grade, I usually had at least one friend, generally based around mutual interests; I knew I was different, but I'd decided that "normal" was the worst insult out there, so that was a good thing, right? I lived in books (I remember laughing like authors describe people laughing, rocking back and forth and slapping my knee - that's what book characters do, so surely that's what normal children do too?? Nope..), and had the occasional playdate with kids who were okay with my awkwardness. It wasn't until 4th grade that my differences became a problem; I remember the prank calls from the entire class when they would have a party and not invite me, or the days when kids would move one of the 8 permitted chairs away from the lunch table, certain that I wouldn't dare break the "don't move chairs in the lunch room" rule to be able to sit with them. But even then, my interests allowed me a friend - knitting was probably my first special interest (unless books count, I was reading at least one notably-sized book a day; by first grade I was reading books from 8th grade reading lists without even realizing it), and my friend and I would knit all through class, chatting in pig latin. By 7th grade, though, I'd started to realize that I wasn't picking up on when people were being cruel and when they were being nice; I realized I was snapping at the nice kids and smiling at the ones who were picking on me. I realized people didn't really like me, and I stopped talking. I'd kept in touch with one girl from Kindergarden, with whom I had nothing in common but who had remained a familiar face; with her, I would whisper; with other peers, I only spoke if academically necessary or if addressed. I remained talkative with teachers, but beyond that I learned to look down when I was walking so no one would address me, to always have a book so no one would catch my eyes wandering. I created a fake email address so that I could type up thoughts and feelings and hit send as if to tell someone, so I could pretend I had someone with whom I was close enough to share those thoughts and feelings.

Halfway through 7th grade I made my first real friend - by which I mean the first friend with whom I became emotionally close. From then on, I generally had one extremely close friend, someone with whom I could rely on constant contact, at all times. It's always someone with some mental health worry - being a therapist gives me a structure, a sense of purpose to their lives. I need structure. I can't start a conversation without offering help (my mom learned to send me with cookies if I was going to be interacting with people, as offering around cookies acted as both a bribe and a structure for conversation). Unfortunately, it's also always someone who will take out their anger on me; I've always felt that I am innately unpleasant to talk to and that those who do talk to me are doing me a favor, and if i can count on being sworn at or hit when they're angry or upset, then I feel I'm earning their time. That's one reason I started seeing a psychologist - I know that it's unhealthy and I need to learn to avoid putting myself in those positions.

By 11th grade, all friends had abandoned me. Less-close friends left probably in large part because I wouldn't shut up about French, Spanish, and Latin... now Arabic as well, to a degree. Languages were a definite special interest. As for close friends, one left because I didn't cut myself (I did self harm, but he couldn't see it and I didn't tell. I bruised, so no one would know), and he claimed I therefore didn't need him enough (other friends all cut or even made suicide attempts, what right did I have to his time?). Another left because I was always looking for problems to fix. The last because I wouldn't try drugs, in which i had no interest. It wasn't until October of this year, after 3 years without friends, that I ventured out of my dorm room (after a year and a half of shaking and crying in a panic if my roommates had too many people in the suite, of not getting out of bed unless for work or class) and met someone - an Aspie, who recognized the Aspie in me and encouraged me, despite my constant fears and insecurities, to get help. Two psychologists dismissed the possibility of Asperger's, saying that I couldn't be an Aspie because I seemed to care about my friends, or because I had a boyfriend; they didn't realize that Aspies can experience empathy, can crave social relationships. Then, four weeks ago, I found my roommate after she committed suicide; I came home from university on a mental health withdraw, I started seeing a new psychologist, and entirely by coincidence she was someone who has worked frequently with Aspie young adults and who used to specifically work in Asperger's diagnoses. She immediately recognized those qualities in me, however low on the spectrum I may be. Now I'm just 3 weeks into a productive, structured treatment; I'm learning about myself, I'm recognizing that some of the things I do (like refusing to make social plans with less than a week's notice, or breaking down in a panic, shaking and crying in the middle of a room if something that I was counting on changes - essentially changing my ritual) could possibly be associated with Asperger's, not with me being a ****-up or just unreasonable. And I'm trying to meet people who may understand that.

I'm so sorry this is so inconcise; concise is one thing that I never am. I think in most contexts it's because I'm terrified of being misunderstood, so I clarify everything and provide more background than necessary; today, my failure to be concise is because I'm so desperate to be known. I want someone to know me and to understand. My name is Emily; I'm a musician, a linguist, hopefully a some-day psychiatrist; but what I'm finally learning that I am, is an Aspie.
 
Welcome Emily :)

Don't worry, many Aspies here have had their own struggles in life. You'll find that this place is a great resource for information, and the members here are real friendly, and helpful.

Feel free to look around, and ask questions. If you'd like to learn more about AS, I recommend also checking our recommended resources library.:
Asperger's & Autism Books | AspiesCentral.com

This book I feel is especially good for women with AS (I was amazed at how a accurately it described my seemingly abnormal life: Aspergirls: Empowering Females With Asperger Syndrome | AspiesCentral.com
 
Two psychologists dismissed the possibility of Asperger's, saying that I couldn't be an Aspie because I seemed to care about my friends, or because I had a boyfriend; they didn't realize that Aspies can experience empathy, can crave social relationships.
Oh, wow. Did they really dismiss the possibility of ASD because you care about your friends and have a boyfriend? Gee, it's a good thing I was single when I was diagnosed (and that the doctor who did it isn't an idiot). :rolleyes:

But I also have my psychologist to thank. I see her for counseling for my depression, but she is familiar with autism and was the one who suspected I might be on the spectrum.

I am so sorry to hear about your roommate . . . that's a difficult thing to endure. I hope you're doing all right.

I'm so sorry this is so inconcise; concise is one thing that I never am. I think in most contexts it's because I'm terrified of being misunderstood, so I clarify everything and provide more background than necessary; today, my failure to be concise is because I'm so desperate to be known. I want someone to know me and to understand.
Oh, honey, you're among friends here. It'll be okay. I completely understand that desire to be known and understood. I think we all do. Welcome, Emily!
 
I don't feel like I fit here; I don't fit with neurotypicals, but perhaps I'm not Aspie enough to fit among Aspies, either. I want to get to know any in-between that there may be; I want to fit.

Welcome to AC. I think you'll find that there are a number of us who are mildly autistic, with similar concerns.
 
Hi and welcome Emily. You will not be seen as a fake here, we will try to help you with your Aspieness and help you through your ups and downs that may come. I like your avatar.
 
Welcome Emily :) I'm a new member of this forum too, and also newly diagnosed (at age 35!). Lucky for me the pysch who diagnosed me didn't take my husband and kids as a sign that I wasn't on the spectrum. I can relate to the fake thing, but as all the lovely people who commented on the thread I started about 'feeling like a fraud' pointed out, it's a spectrum, and we all fall on it somewhere. There's no right or wrong way to be NT or an Aspie, it just is what it is. I'm hoping I come to some peace and feel ok about it soon too, and it's easy advice to give, but hard to take :)
 
Hello and welcome to AC :)

Its a spectrum thing, and you've described plenty of things I can relate to with aspergers, so please don't feel like a 'fraud' :)

Everyone's different and it is just not true that we lack empathy, and yes I have had friends too over the years. Not many at any one point, and probably no more than ten in my entire life. Not all at once either. At the moment, I've only got 5 people I regularly talk to (and that includes my two parents!!!!)

I'm 40, so that averages out at one friend every four years. I feel like I am far too sociable sometimes!! :D

Hope you enjoy talking with everyone here - its definitely a great place to feel less alone in the world :)
 
Then, four weeks ago, I found my roommate after she committed suicide; I came home from university on a mental health withdraw, I started seeing a new psychologist, and entirely by coincidence she was someone who has worked frequently with Aspie young adults and who used to specifically work in Asperger's diagnoses.
Oh, goodness! Anyone would require a mental health withdrawal after that. I'm sorry you had to go through that..

But welcome, Emily! You're among friends here. :)
 
Wow, thank you so so much everyone! It feels so incredible to think maybe I have a place I can belong, where being me can be a good thing. I'm so grateful for each and every response, I've read them a few times already and it's just made my day. You're all wonderful, truly. Thank you for making me feel so welcome so immediately :)
 
That must have been hard, finding your roommate had commited suicide.
If you need to talk about it feel free to here we are very good listeners and
a member trained as a social worker as well.
 
Thank you :) I don't know if trigger warnings or content warnings are popular in this community, I'm still getting to know what's common, but I don't want to be too graphic and startle someone...so if you're reading this, I suppose I'll warn you now - I'm going to rant about it a little. After almost five weeks, people who know me have pretty much heard enough, and my psychologist knows I'm not covered by insurance in DC (where I go to school) so she's eager to address everything else by the end of the summer; my roommate hasn't even been a conversation since the first day.

It's been difficult. The whole year had been difficult, for that matter; my first semester in university I'd had a 3.64 GPA, whatever my social troubles were I'd always been a top student, in a prestigious university, with pretty much full tuition scholarships. But by the end of fall semester, my GPA was down to a 3.16. I'd become so anxious and depressed, I wasn't leaving my room unless I had to go to class or to work; by the end of last semester, I was even missing classes, sleeping 18+ hours a day; I usually have at least one thing that I'm really truly passionate about, but over the last year or so I've been losing interest in everything; after 17 years playing violin, this semester I wasn't even in a quartet. Changing my major to psychology helped; I'd been pursuing international affairs because I love foreign languages (I suppose they're my most lasting and most recent special interest) and I love theory regarding people; but even then, I'm plunging into something in which I have limited background and hoping that a medical school will accept me. The most startling thing about opening her door and seeing her was that the same night that she'd committed suicide, I'd been wishing I had the option.

I'm rational, it's not something I think I could act on; I understand my obligation to my parents, with whom I'm close, and having lost a cousin and almost lost two uncles to suicide, I'm very aware of what a range of people it affects. But the greatest source of guilt in her death isn't that I didn't stop her; she, like me, kept to herself; she seemed to like her home to be her quiet place, we only spoke if we went to the refrigerator or the restroom at the same time and even then it was nothing deeper than small talk; she smiled, she had friends down the hall with whom she socialized frequently, I had no hint and I don't feel there's anything that I could have done. What I feel guilty about is that I could think about such an action but not actually carry it out; what claim do I have to even consider methods, when she was in a bad enough place to act on it? I'm lucky; I only make friends if I feel I can help them, it gives me structure, so I've been the one calling ambulances often enough that it wasn't an unfamiliar topic for me. I never once had to wonder why anyone would want to do that, I can understand it. But that I could ever think about such a thing without enough anguish to carry it out....that feels wrong.

Aside from that lingering internal conflict, though, I'm more okay than I should be; maybe it's an Aspie thing, maybe over the years of social rejections I've learned not to count anyone in my life as a permanent; maybe it's just me. But I don't miss her. There's no personal loss. There's no question of what could I have done, I got through that within the first day. I don't even know what her time of death was, there was no smell so it must have been recent but I may not even have been in the building. What does linger is the image. She'd hung herself, she tied whatever she used (I didn't notice what... funny what goes unnoticed in an experience like that) inside her closet, then draped it over the top of the door and closed the door, so she was hanging outside her closet less than a foot away from the door that I'd knocked on to call to her. I'm lucky; based on my research, in about half of incidents of hanging, there are pretty gruesome effects (blood leaving the brain by dripping out the nose, tongue swelling out of the mouth, eyes bulging...at least from what I've read, the accuracy could be lacking). In her case, she looked like she could have been asleep, except that her lips were a dark purple. I could probably imitate exactly the angle at which her head had rested, but there was nothing scarring in the image except what it meant. I suspect the rope wasn't tight enough to actually cut off circulation, that it was a slow death caused by lack of oxygen; I don't know, the detectives that spoke to me didn't even know I'd seen her until after they'd asked if I knew what had happened; they weren't about to give me details.

But I did at first have days where I was terrified to go to the restroom, where I avoided showers; I still sometimes panic opening a door. At first I would think I saw someone hanging from a bathroom stall, not a full image but just a figure out of the corner of my eye; I would think I saw feet dangling beneath the door. I would find myself trapped in a bathroom hyperventilating because I was so certain that if I opened the door, there would be someone hanging on the other side. I knew it was irrational, I could grasp that... but some small part of me would think "When opening her door, it would have seemed irrational to think she would be there; you thought she'd gone to her morning class. If it happened then no matter how unlikely it seemed, why wouldn't it happen now?" But now I'm starting to pull myself together. I still hardly get out of bed, but that had started even before her death; I still leave my computer on beside me at night with a movie playing so there's sound and light, but what's the harm in that? And I'm addressing the problems that I couldn't address before. I'm moving forward. I'm not doing great, but I'm not giving up either.

I'm sorry that's so long, I hope no one wasted their time reading it all... but it does help to write it out. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to do so.
 
I'm moving forward. I'm not doing great, but I'm not giving up either.

I'm sorry that's so long, I hope no one wasted their time reading it all... but it does help to write it out. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to do so.
Keep that attitude, and "not doing great" will turn into something better.

I assure you, many people will read that post, and no one will consider it a waste of time.

I hope you can make yourself comfortable here. Again: Welcome. :)
 
Keep that attitude, and "not doing great" will turn into something better.

I assure you, many people will read that post, and no one will consider it a waste of time.

I hope you can make yourself comfortable here. Again: Welcome. :)

Thank you so so much :) I appreciate it more than I can say, I'm truly glad to be here
 
Hello and welcome,

I am sorry you had to walk in on that, it sounds disturbing despite not being to the degree you read about. I noticed that with me sometimes things that should affect me deeply do not seem to do so as much but will return in nightmares or will be triggered by something. Then again that is probably more of a PTSD thing than an aspie thing. Yes it is a good idea to deal with yourself first and your depression issues. Things do get better, I decided to deal with my numerous problems and backlog of trauma about a year ago and am a better. You may want to mention to your psychologist that you sometimes see someone hanging from the corner of your eye or the panic before opening a door. I also had a rough life and have been the black sheep or the alien that does not fit in. But it feels quite different on AC. I do not have an official diagnosis and like you am likely quite mild since I learned how to act at a young age. There are many of us that would easily pass as NTs (in the outside world) here. But we can be ourselves here instead of trying to please an outside world.
 
Hello and welcome,

I am sorry you had to walk in on that, it sounds disturbing despite not being to the degree you read about. I noticed that with me sometimes things that should affect me deeply do not seem to do so as much but will return in nightmares or will be triggered by something. Then again that is probably more of a PTSD thing than an aspie thing. Yes it is a good idea to deal with yourself first and your depression issues. Things do get better, I decided to deal with my numerous problems and backlog of trauma about a year ago and am a better. You may want to mention to your psychologist that you sometimes see someone hanging from the corner of your eye or the panic before opening a door. I also had a rough life and have been the black sheep or the alien that does not fit in. But it feels quite different on AC. I do not have an official diagnosis and like you am likely quite mild since I learned how to act at a young age. There are many of us that would easily pass as NTs (in the outside world) here. But we can be ourselves here instead of trying to please an outside world.

Thank you so much for the kind words. Thankfully the more alarming experiences (thinking I see someone, getting stuck in a room afraid to open the door...) have mostly stopped. I think you're right about it being a PTSD thing rather than an Aspie thing, but I could be mistaken. It's really encouraging to hear that things have improved for you, though; so many of the things that bother me feel so innate, it's hard to imagine it changing or improving. I hope things continue to improve on your end :)
 
Thank you so much for the kind words. Thankfully the more alarming experiences (thinking I see someone, getting stuck in a room afraid to open the door...) have mostly stopped. I think you're right about it being a PTSD thing rather than an Aspie thing, but I could be mistaken. It's really encouraging to hear that things have improved for you, though; so many of the things that bother me feel so innate, it's hard to imagine it changing or improving. I hope things continue to improve on your end :)

I am glad that being afraid to open a door has stopped. I guess I am coming to realize that some of the innate things can be ok, like the quirks and other things like depression and anxiety may feel innate but can change. It may not go away entirely but it will tend to go down and come up less often. Now that I observe myself more I noticed that I used to have a lot of really bad days, which I still have, but I have fewer of them. I can often find a reason why a day is not that great and work on that instead. So it does get better, slowly. I hope things continue to improve for you as well.

Thanks. Sometimes you have to make a choice and you might not really feel like you are winning either way, but one is slightly better than the other and there is always some gray. Take social things for example, I always felt I had to make the choice between being alone and being anxious or insecure. Being alone is terrible for the moral and doesn't help with depression or feeling supported. I shut myself in my little corner for several years. However, the other option was not that cut and dry. It just takes finding good friends where you do not feel they are doing you a favour by talking to you and that are not abusive. I guess I have a similar attraction to the abusive types, but more due to my upbringing than anything else. Talking to others about personal things is new for me, I guess I can share some things with some people and other things with others and then I feel less alone, but at the same time am not as insecure or anxious. Before I was a closed book and a beautiful facade, so good you would think the book is open, but then I felt completely alone. I have been doing more things along the lines of DBT which show you that there are conflicts of interest, but one thing might be better than the other and there is always gray in the middle. I am also learning other skills to deal with anxiety and depression, which are quite helpful. Such as mindfullness, meditation, and breathing techniques.
 
We seem to be exactly alike in a way. I have very similar stories as yours, such as having friends in K-3rd grades, and being prank-called in 4th grade plus (actually this probably started as early as 2nd grade for me), although mine happened within my own neighborhood. There are 8th grade boys up my street (I'm in 7th grade), and they're always trying to find a way to pick on me, or at least used to.

I also went through the "opening your eyes to the real world" thing, but more like fifth grade, not 7th.

I'm kind of stuck between NT and Aspie World, too. therefore, I do not have many friends :(

Yo, sorry about your roommate :(

I don't feel bad after events such as yours and do the whole "I could have done something" thing, either. No sympathy for me!

Anyways, Hello and Welcome!! :)
 
We seem to be exactly alike in a way. I have very similar stories as yours, such as having friends in K-3rd grades, and being prank-called in 4th grade plus (actually this probably started as early as 2nd grade for me), although mine happened within my own neighborhood. There are 8th grade boys up my street (I'm in 7th grade), and they're always trying to find a way to pick on me, or at least used to.

I also went through the "opening your eyes to the real world" thing, but more like fifth grade, not 7th.

I'm kind of stuck between NT and Aspie World, too. therefore, I do not have many friends :(

Yo, sorry about your roommate :(

I don't feel bad after events such as yours and do the whole "I could have done something" thing, either. No sympathy for me!

Anyways, Hello and Welcome!! :)

It's remarkable how reassuring it is to hear the similarities! I hadn't encountered another Aspie yet who had mentioned having had friendships in the earlier years, I've heard a lot about people struggling to fit in from the start and many of them struggling academically as well. I think if anything, that's the hardest part for me - my brother really struggled (he was almost diagnosed with Asperger's, I personally feel he should have been but they were rushing through getting him out of the way) so once I started recognizing how much I was struggling, I was already the support system in my family. My parents are amazing, but they also really needed the feeling that they'd done things right and I was that evidence that they needed. I was the straight-A student who excelled on violin and was a member of every extracurricular that would fit in her schedule, and now when I admit to them the difficulties I did have, they can't believe it; they don't believe the diagnosis, and when I explain things that led to it they say I'm "changing my memories" to fit it. I suppose my point is, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who had friends, who feels caught in the in-between. It's wonderful to meet you!
 
I am glad that being afraid to open a door has stopped. I guess I am coming to realize that some of the innate things can be ok, like the quirks and other things like depression and anxiety may feel innate but can change. It may not go away entirely but it will tend to go down and come up less often. Now that I observe myself more I noticed that I used to have a lot of really bad days, which I still have, but I have fewer of them. I can often find a reason why a day is not that great and work on that instead. So it does get better, slowly. I hope things continue to improve for you as well.

Thanks. Sometimes you have to make a choice and you might not really feel like you are winning either way, but one is slightly better than the other and there is always some gray. Take social things for example, I always felt I had to make the choice between being alone and being anxious or insecure. Being alone is terrible for the moral and doesn't help with depression or feeling supported. I shut myself in my little corner for several years. However, the other option was not that cut and dry. It just takes finding good friends where you do not feel they are doing you a favour by talking to you and that are not abusive. I guess I have a similar attraction to the abusive types, but more due to my upbringing than anything else. Talking to others about personal things is new for me, I guess I can share some things with some people and other things with others and then I feel less alone, but at the same time am not as insecure or anxious. Before I was a closed book and a beautiful facade, so good you would think the book is open, but then I felt completely alone. I have been doing more things along the lines of DBT which show you that there are conflicts of interest, but one thing might be better than the other and there is always gray in the middle. I am also learning other skills to deal with anxiety and depression, which are quite helpful. Such as mindfullness, meditation, and breathing techniques.

I think that makes a lot of sense. I hope that eventually I can make similar progress :)
 

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