Have you ever take justice on your hands?

[SusAssasins]

Well fellas, I was remembering that on Asperger's books, people describe aspies has people that don't forget easily or people that never forgets, like the phrase "An elephant never forgets", and that we tend to take justice on our hands, "If children with Asperger's Syndrome do not perceive justice to have been done, they may take the law into their own hands to seek retribution, using the conflict resolution strategy of ‘an eye for an eye’, with the intent of inflicting equal discomfort", I don't really know if is it true, but in my case it was; when I was 4 years old I broke my brothers nose with a broomstick (I don't remember why), when I was 10 I threw a rock (a little one of the size of a bean) to a girl that owns me an apology, then when I was 11 years old I throw water (with a ballon) to a girl that made fun of me and a friend.
Do you think this only occurs on childhood, or it's something that will be on an Aspies behave for it's life? I haven't done things like this since childhood but I still try to take justice on my hands when I can, not necessarily physical retribution, but of other kind like verbally or, at the shadow, like stealing something from them, or stop trusting them my stuff like; pencils, pens, scissors, glue, calculator, etc.
Do you think this kind of behave could lead to an aggressive behavior like becoming a murder if is it not properly develop from childhood to adulthood?

Study: ‘Significant’ statistical link between mass murder and autism, brain injury

 

[King_Oni]

While I can't speak out on the questions posed, here's something to consider.

Is the world a just place? Is there actually any notion of justice around? With many corrupt officials and situations (and this goes from teachers who don't dare to stand up for the kid that's being bullied, all the way to corrupt bankers and politicians) how should it be fine to "let it fly"?

I suppose it's important to learn kids how to gauge justice, rather than tell them "it's ok to get back at someone". So it leads me to the following;

As much as I think some acts of retribution might be a bit exaggerated, there are plenty that are totally justifiable. And that ultimately opens the question; how do you gauge justice? I for one think that getting back at someone, when justified, is totally acceptable, even more when any form of enforcement doesn't get involved for whatever reason. But yeah.. "when justified"... in your example; an apology feels a bit too excessive to demand (and even less by throwing rocks; which can physically incapacitate someone or worse) and dispence justice for. But then again, I do believe in eye for an eye.

And while were at the entire "eye for an eye" philosophy; it's not like we don't condone those actions nowhere on the globe. Corporal punishment still is a thing.

Speaking of which and this is something I pointed out once, to some sympathy of others on this forum; verbal abuse is one thing, physical abuse is another. But the assumption that verbal abuse doesn't hurt as much and everyone is equipped with proper skills to fend of verbal abuse with other verbal abuse seems outright ridiculous. If I'm the target of abuse I might stand up for myself in whatever way I deem neccesary.

I could rant on and on about retribution and my views; but really, instead of worrying if certain groups might be more prone to acts of retalliation to seek justice, wouldn't it be better to make the world a fairer place with less injustice?

 

[Aspergirl4hire]

Researchers know exactly what the worth of anecdotal and speculative accounts is.

The value is negative: not only does it not contribute to further study, but it impedes the possibility of learning contrary information by laying down a narrative from the start that assumes exactly what SusAssins did. Any new research will now have to overcome confirmation bias that didn't exist before "anecdotal and speculative accounts" were raised to the undeserved dignity of "research."

The link also says this: “Our findings tentatively indicate that these extreme forms of violence may be a result of a highly complex interaction of biological, psychological and sociological factors and that, potentially, a significant proportion of mass or serial killers may have had neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism spectrum disorder or head injury.” The researchers stressed the study is “clearly limited” by the “anecdotal and speculative” nature of some of the published accounts.

Let me put it another way. Is homicidal ideation is more likely linked to neurodiversity, to abusive treatment, to head injury, or to opportunistic profit? Or does somebody just want some research money from the trending topic in the news?

Police stats show homicide is related to domestic cohabitation, drugs, money, and love/jealousy. Communication studies such as the King refers to find that people who don't think about how what they say sounds to their audience can completely corrupt the understanding of what is said and meant, and people who want to be passive-aggressive or dishonest capitalize on that.

Abusive treatment isn't aspie-specific, but let's say the amount of bullying many of us experience is significant since it models "acceptable behavior." And ever since the Nixon years in the US, Americans know the power and utility of the phrase "Follow the Money."

An eye for an eye wasn't about murder, but about preventing escalating violence while supporting justice. If you lost an eye, you were owed only an eye. Not a life. Then the cost of an eye was fixed (yes, in the Hebrew Scriptures, no less).

I personally was the target of murderous hatred from NTs who hated my brains and my difference. But I'm not the one who attempted murder, then or ever. (I know your post isn't personal. I'm exposing my own bias here.)

Read the whole thing. And don't just believe everything you read. Ask who benefits from the finding. And Follow the Money.

 

[Datura]

I have to second everything Aspergirl4hire just said.

In response to the question; I do not believed in retributive justice. I have always been more inclined toward preventing injustice. I am a utilitarian, and therefore do not believe in causing suffering unless it is necessary to prevent some greater suffering. I would even go so far as to say I do not believe in justice in the traditional sense. One can not simply trade pain for pain. It is not a business transaction.

 

[watersprite]

I think if I was literally trapped in a situation where others were bullying and hurting me yes, it would cause me personally to become aggressive in a last ditch effort to protect myself. In general over the course of my many years of life, I chose to get out of 'the situation', even if it was at great cost to me to do so, so as to stop an acceleration of pain and suffering. Flight, usually after a lot of freeze, rather than fight, is how it has been for me. As a child, (And I am female) I physically reacted to bullying. I lashed out at the antagonists - and got into some amount of trouble, but did manage maybe a quarter of the time to defend myself. No - I do not believe that being an Aspie (shortest way to phrase it) leads to aggression even if someone was raised poorly, improperly. If someone was raised with neglect and/or abuse then, sure maybe, but that would be a possibility then for any human or animal.

 

[qwerty]

An eye for an eye wasn't about murder, but about preventing escalating violence while supporting justice. If you lost an eye, you were owed only an eye. Not a life. Then the cost of an eye was fixed (yes, in the Hebrew Scriptures, no less).

I could not agree more.
I think most aspies have a heightened sense of justice having experienced the usual torments and injustices so frequently, it is difficult not to empathise when it happens to others. Just remember there is a difference between justice and retribution. it is not easy and there is a primal desire to lash out or back at those whom have wronged us, good luck keep your dignity and remember it takes a deep strength to be gentle

 

[NlGHTgirl]

me? no!

Flight, usually after a lot of freeze, rather than fight, is how it has been for me. As a child,

Agree! I feel the same, Freeze, Flight....avoidance... learned as a child? or innate? (just curious). I have very low blood pressure.

I grew , care, love, with a baby kid sibling best friend. I don't really have memories without that patience attach to it. The kids learn that kids won't play if you are mean? Is that how that goes? sharing, Turn taking, etc?

as a child, huh? Aren't ALL children taught not to hit???? ? some kids have more self control than others? Pretty sure there are lots of studies about this.

Yet, Bad stuff continues to happen???? awww......

Abusive treatment isn't aspie-specific, but let's say the amount of bullying many of us experience is significant since it models "acceptable behavior." And ever since the Nixon years in the US, Americans know the power and utility of the phrase "Follow the Money."

(I ramble.)

Or sex, .... apparently, I was informed that there are prominent men with sex games and intend entrap victims????? (why lie??? I just don't understand it...... it must be very difficult for them to get a lady in bed at the bars??????? the typical way? why socially inept naïve me? what is the challenge?) How is that a fair game? The men have respectable positions of Authority. but they have no morals? or something????? ?? ? How is this behavior acceptable by society? Then, they were all social media teasing and gossiping and giggling. I was never in on the joke. I'm not good at social media. (or social anything!) How can they make fun of someone so clueless? I did not even really get it..... How is that even entertaining? Some people TRY to be cruel? but they were smiling, so they confuse me. again. sighs.

People wonder why I don't talk to people? sheesh!


Somehow, remain ever cheerful.(what other option?) It's the bitter ones that scare me. (SusAssasins, NO, I have no primal desire to seek "justice" by my hands!) I just feel confused. Most people smile return pretty happy smiles (to pretty ladies, puppies, kids, often with me). Isn't it normal human nature? to return the smile? I find it odd when I run into these cruel people, with evil intentions. It does not follow the rules! Does it? ??

OP, maybe the elephant never forgets because it is primal instinct to avoid further hurt.

 

[watersprite]

NIGHTgirl, as a child or actually teenager I learned - eventually - that physical retribution was wrong even against bullies and learned how to not do that. The impulse to do so isn't gone. I just don't act on it. (Although I've come close to doing so a few times) I have normal blood pressure, as far as I know. If my parents had been wise or more aware of my needs, they'd of put me into some sort of martial arts class when I was young instead of or in addition to the other stuff.

 

[qwerty]

Somehow, remain ever cheerful.(what other option?) It's the bitter ones that scare me. (Qwerty, I have no primal desire to lash out!) I just feel confused. Most people smile return pretty happy smiles (to pretty ladies, puppies, kids, often with me). Isn't it normal human nature? to return the smile? I find it odd when I run into these cruel people, with evil intentions. It does not follow the rules! Does it? ??



Interesting......

Sorry i meant to " it's hard not to feel empathy for others that are suffering when you have experience of similar pain or injustice"

 

[AsheSkyler]

Most people possess sufficient empathy and morality to not cause harm, or if they do they are willing to find a way to make it right. Like if somebody accidentally knocks over an old woman, they try to help her up and apologize profusely. Those folks are alright, if everybody tried to be careful, we wouldn't have a need for any kind of justice or enforcement because it'd take care of itself.

And then you've got some little twerps who either from ignorance or intent keep knocking over old people, and I think getting thrown on their face might go a little ways to them developing some compassion and caution, or at least put the fear of retaliation in them so they are more careful in the future. I've had to deal physically with a few people before and that was the only way they ever stopped. They had to have a threat to be kept in line, because the lacked the morality or self control to do it themselves. Sad, really. At least they quit hurting people.

Which really is no different than our current system. Don't behave, you get locked away into a cramped little cell surrounded by people you don't like. If you're good, you don't have to put up with them. My school used public shaming as their disciplinary method.

Do you think this kind of behave could lead to an aggressive behavior like becoming a murder if is it not properly develop from childhood to adulthood?

Aw now, I think "murderer" is a bit harsh. I prefer to think of it as "social gardener that prunes away bad sprouts".

 

[Licorice]

No, and I'm happy to say that the Aspies I've met don't, either. Many children have bratty habits and many teens and adults don't learn to be good people. We don't need more of an image of us as violent, disrespectful, uncaring people who believe they're always right, though.