Good age to diagnose personality disorders

[Au Naturel]

That actually makes sense, but according to DSM-5-TR, you have to be 18 years old to be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder.

My point is that a person who tortures animals for fun or bullies the weak and isolated or wants to do something horrible to their schoolmates or suffers from crippling depresssion or anxiety needs to be diagnosed with something early enough to maybe do some good. Doesn't need to specifically be APD.

The DSM is not Holy Writ. It is a political document. If gays are marginalized and unpopular within the culture, then being gay is a disorder. If they suddenly develop political power, then it isn't a disorder anymore. One day, PMS is a disorder, and another, more feminist day, it isn't. One day, Aspergers' is a disorder on its own, but the next, it doesn't exist, and we are all ASD-1,2,3, or miscellaneous. And that is how it goes. All political decisions.

DMS pretends to be scientific but it is really just systematic. I consider it the Dewey Decimal System of psychology.

 

[Oz67]

My point is that a person who tortures animals for fun or bullies the weak and isolated or wants to do something horrible to their schoolmates or suffers from crippling depresssion or anxiety needs to be diagnosed with something early enough to maybe do some good. Doesn't need to specifically be APD.

The DSM is not Holy Writ. It is a political document. If gays are marginalized and unpopular within the culture, then being gay is a disorder. If they suddenly develop political power, then it isn't a disorder anymore. One day, PMS is a disorder, and another, more feminist day, it isn't. One day, Aspergers' is a disorder on its own, but the next, it doesn't exist, and we are all ASD-1,2,3, or miscellaneous. And that is how it goes. All political decisions.

DMS pretends to be scientific but it is really just systematic. I consider it the Dewey Decimal System of psychology.

That actually makes sense. And what do you mean by DMS, you mean DMS as an Delusional Misidentification Syndromes?

 

[Judge]

"Most personality disorders begin in the teen years when your personality further develops and matures. As a result, almost all people diagnosed with personality disorders are above the age of 18. One exception to this is antisocial personality disorder — approximately 80% of people with this disorder will have started to show symptoms by the age of 11."

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9636-personality-disorders-overview

 

[Jonn]

As a result, almost all people diagnosed with personality disorders are above the age of 18. One exception to this is antisocial personality disorder — approximately 80% of people with this disorder will have started to show symptoms by the age of 11."

A former friend of mine had a son diagnosed with sociopathy.
He was told that after 18, the damage has already been done and that it should have been picked up before hand for a more positive prognosis.

 

[Oz67]

A former friend of mine had a son diagnosed with sociopathy.
He was told that after 18, the damage has already been done and that it should have been picked up before hand for a more positive prognosis.

That makes sense.

 

[WhitewaterWoman]

A former friend of mine had a son diagnosed with sociopathy.
He was told that after 18, the damage has already been done and that it should have been picked up before hand for a more positive prognosis.

My understanding of personality disorders is that they are developmental disorders and are genetic.

At this point in time, there isn't anything that can be done to "fix" personality disorders. It is possible that behavior modification techniques and medication can manage the symptoms of the personality disorder, but it isn't going to cure them, because they are genetic in origin.

It's important for us, as autistics, to understand personality disorders, because these people are dangerous to us.

 

[Oz67]

My understanding of personality disorders is that they are developmental disorders and are genetic.

At this point in time, there isn't anything that can be done to "fix" personality disorders. It is possible that behavior modification techniques and medication can manage the symptoms of the personality disorder, but it isn't going to cure them, because they are genetic in origin.

It's important for us, as autistics, to understand personality disorders, because these people are dangerous to us.

I have symptoms of Unspecified Personality Disorder, but I never hurt anyone in my life, but maybe use some of my social intelligence to hide my history of command hallucinations and harmful delusional beliefs to myself, but sometimes share it online

 

[Jonn]

My understanding of personality disorders is that they are developmental disorders and are genetic.

They can be, yes.
His mother is a lovely woman but does have a deeper level of schizophrenia.
I am sure this unstable domestic environment would have contributed to her son's condition.
His father also has difficulty in areas.

At this point in time, there isn't anything that can be done to "fix" personality disorders.

I am hesitant to agree with what you said.
I have been casually researching psychology since I was in my 20's and my sister is a psychotherapist.
We have discussed the subject in depth.

Based on research over many years:
"Psychopaths are born, while sociopaths are made."
But I am always open to new information that comes our way.

At this point in time, there isn't anything that can be done to "fix" personality disorders

Could you explain what you think a "personality disorder" is?

 

[Oz67]

They can be, yes.
His mother is a lovely woman but does have a deeper level of schizophrenia.
I am sure this unstable domestic environment would have contributed to her son's condition.
His father also has difficulty in areas.


I am hesitant to agree with what you said.
I have been casually researching psychology since I was in my 20's and my sister is a psychotherapist.
We have discussed the subject in depth.

Based on research over many years:
"Psychopaths are born, while sociopaths are made."
But I am always open to new information that comes our way.


Could you explain what you think a "personality disorder" is?

He posted a link explaining what Personality Disorders mean.

 

[Oz67]

They can be, yes.
His mother is a lovely woman but does have a deeper level of schizophrenia.
I am sure this unstable domestic environment would have contributed to her son's condition.
His father also has difficulty in areas.


I am hesitant to agree with what you said.
I have been casually researching psychology since I was in my 20's and my sister is a psychotherapist.
We have discussed the subject in depth.

Based on research over many years:
"Psychopaths are born, while sociopaths are made."
But I am always open to new information that comes our way.


Could you explain what you think a "personality disorder" is?

But there is only ASPD or ASPD+P.

ASPD = Antisocial Personality Disorder without psychopathic features.

ASPD+P = Antisocial Personality Disorder with psychopathic features

 

[WhitewaterWoman]

They can be, yes.
His mother is a lovely woman but does have a deeper level of schizophrenia.
I am sure this unstable domestic environment would have contributed to her son's condition.
His father also has difficulty in areas.


I am hesitant to agree with what you said.
I have been casually researching psychology since I was in my 20's and my sister is a psychotherapist.
We have discussed the subject in depth.

Based on research over many years:
"Psychopaths are born, while sociopaths are made."
But I am always open to new information that comes our way.


Could you explain what you think a "personality disorder" is?

I’m using the definitions in the DSM V. Australia may use different definitions,

In popular literature the names get used and misused, blended and distorted.

To your other point, it is very recent research that shows personality disorders are not curable at this time.

 

[Jonn]

In popular literature the names get used and misused, blended and distorted.

I am aware of this.
The term "Psychopath" is not officially recognised to my knowledge, but it is in common usage.
As always, context is important.

To your other point, it is very recent research that shows personality disorders are not curable at this time.

I see The Judge's link.
Are you using this or another one?

 

[Oz67]

I’m using the definitions in the DSM V. Australia may use different definitions,

In popular literature the names get used and misused, blended and distorted.

To your other point, it is very recent research that shows personality disorders are not curable at this time.

No, however, personality disorders can be in partial remission. Look at the case of Brian Blackwell, he is a great example of behaving so well after 15 years in prison for the double manslaughter, and lesser murder charges of his parents, due to diminished responsibility.

He was diagnosed with a severe form of NPD at the age of 18, he had some delusions of grandeur and lived in fantasy at that time.

 

[Jonn]

No, however, personality disorders can be in partial remission. Look at the case of Brian Blackwell, he is a great example of behaving so well after 15 years in prison for the double manslaughter, and lesser murder charges of his parents, due to diminished responsibility.

He was diagnosed with a severe form of NPD at the age of 18, he had some delusions of grandeur and lived in fantasy at that time.

Firstly, it would be interesting to know if he was taking medication during his time in prison.
Secondly, if he was in an actual psychotic state at the time of his crimes, this puts him apart from a "simple" personality disorder.

 

[Oz67]

Firstly, it would be interesting to know if he was taking medication during his time in prison.
Secondly, if he was in an actual psychotic state at the time of his crimes, this puts him apart from a "simple" personality disorder.

That is a good question, personality disorders itself can also cause delusional or psychotic thinking if it is so severe.

 

[Oz67]

Firstly, it would be interesting to know if he was taking medication during his time in prison.
Secondly, if he was in an actual psychotic state at the time of his crimes, this puts him apart from a "simple" personality disorder.

The British police officer at the time said that I would be in the mental hospital to take anger management classes, but in the prison system

 

[Oz67]

Firstly, it would be interesting to know if he was taking medication during his time in prison.
Secondly, if he was in an actual psychotic state at the time of his crimes, this puts him apart from a "simple" personality disorder.

The police officer did not say if he would be taking meds for acute psychosis.

 

[Jonn]

That is a good question, personality disorders itself can also cause delusional or psychotic thinking if it is so severe.

In the case I was speak about above, the son was forced by the authorities, to take medication via a monthly needle, so he qualifies with what you said.

 

[Oz67]

In the case I was speak about above, the son was forced by the authorities, to take medication via a monthly needle, so he qualifies with what you said.

I agree

He was only diagnosed with severe NPD. He had delusions of grandeur because his NPD was so severe, it was much, much worse than grandiosity.

 

[Jonn]

The British police officer at the time said that I would be in the mental hospital to take anger management classes, but in the prison system

It sounds as though he wasn't psychotic if that is truly the case.