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French scientists have found where autism hides in the brain – and it could help diagnose 2yo kids

AGXStarseed

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(Not written by me)


Autism is hiding in one of the brain’s folds, and a new biomarker discovered by French scientists can be detected in children as young as two. The breakthrough could make diagnosis of the condition much easier.

The abnormality manifests itself in a shallower-than-usual fold located in Broca’s area, the region of the brain responsible for language and communication that autism affects. The researchers are confident the new findings will go a long way to earlier diagnosis and management of autistic patients.

The groundbreaking work was a combined effort between the Delegation Paris Michel-Ange (CNRS), Aix-Marseille Universite and AP-HM. They used the expertise of the Institut de Neurosciences de la Timone (CNRS/Aix-Marseille Université) in medical imaging, as well as its access to a group of autistic patients diagnosed at a very early age. The data was then assessed using the same protocol at the Centre de Ressources Autisme PACA, and the results published in the January issue of Biological Psychiatry: Cognitive Neurosciences and Neuroimaging.

Autism can take on many forms, some less severe than others (as in the case with Asperger’s syndrome), others more. The brain is where doctors look for clues. Recent developments in neuroimaging have shed light on a potential for an abnormal cortical folding. Before that, standard neuro-anatomical measurements could not get a good look at a number of disorders, autism among them.

Autism can take on many forms, some less severe than others (as in the case with Asperger’s syndrome), others more. The brain is where doctors look for clues. Recent developments in neuroimaging have shed light on a potential for an abnormal cortical folding. Before that, standard neuro-anatomical measurements could not get a good look at a number of disorders, autism among them.

The new French research centered on something called the “sulcal pit” – a new geometric marker situated at the deepest point of every sulcus in the cerebral cortex, which is where all the folds of the brain develop. Anything that can be glimpsed from those folds is therefore also built at a very early stage in brain development, most likely under genetic influences.

This means the characteristic will be different in every individual, and can be compared.

The researchers studied 102 male children aged 2-10, grouping them into those with autism, those with a pervasive developmental disorder, and those with typically development. Using MRI scans they noticed that autistic children displayed a difference in the maximum depth of a sulcus.

They further found a direct correlation between this depth and a child’s social abilities. In autistic children, the less deep the sulcus, the more skewed the child’s performance was in communication.
The same held true for language production.

They then concluded that this potential abnormality of the sulcus constituted a biomarker for autism. While doctors can only diagnose autism today by monitoring interaction for clinical signs, this new technique shows great promise for diagnosing autism very early on, from inside the brain.

Researchers said did not necessarily expect to find other features, but they say the revolutionary findings point to the importance of investing in biomedical research.


SOURCE: https://www.rt.com/news/328954-autism-diagnosing-brain-children/
 
But researchers? Seems odd, you'd think they'd know about females.
Maybe they believe it, maybe they don't, but boys would be easier to find.

I'm not saying it's right. There should be more girls--and women!--in autism research. They didn't look at any adults either. The story of autism is still very much the male child looking downwards as numbers float over his head.
 
Maybe they don't get enough people signing up for research that are adults. I certainly don't know how, but a parent hoping people will find a cure will let their kid be involved in the hope they find something.
 
Maybe they believe it, maybe they don't, but boys would be easier to find.

I'm not saying it's right. There should be more girls--and women!--in autism research. They didn't look at any adults either. The story of autism is still very much the male child looking downwards as numbers float over his head.
The problem is that girls and women frequently get misdiagnosed because of stereotypes about them. Many autistic women may get diagnosed with something like BPD because of an idea of 'crazy females'. Something similar happens to people of color, except they're more likely to not have any suitable mental health interventions at all. I can't imagine how tough it'd be for an autistic black woman to find the therapy suited for her.

Mental health research tends to be centered around straight, white males. This is why autism seems to be mostly represented by white guys.
 
The problem is that girls and women frequently get misdiagnosed because of stereotypes about them. Many autistic women may get diagnosed with something like BPD because of an idea of 'crazy females'. Something similar happens to people of color, except they're more likely to not have any suitable mental health interventions at all. I can't imagine how tough it'd be for an autistic black woman to find the therapy suited for her.

Mental health research tends to be centered around straight, white males. This is why autism seems to be mostly represented by white guys.
I haven't heard this before, what is it? I'm curious.
 
Wonder why they only took males.
this has been a long time problem in Asperger's and Autism research, it has been very male dominated and this might explain the higher numbers of diagnosed male aspies in relation to female ones not because of an actual difference in numbers of aspies but instead a difference in diagnosis.

this male dominance in research has caused a lot of problems for female aspies and reduced their support and hopefully in the future further study into female aspies will be carried out so as to produce equal levels of support,care and diagnosis for both genders. female aspies clearly exist as shown by a number on this site.

another note there will never be a cure for Asperger's it is genetic and to do with how our brains actually function and thus is impossible to change, i don't see it as something to cure anyway as there are many advantages as well as disadvantages and aspies achieve a lot everyday. however further study will allow better and earlier diagnosis and better care and support throughout life (right now i feel Asperger's support is very child dominated hopefully this will change) so as to allow aspies of both genders to achieve as much as possible and be all that we can be.
 
There's a lot of things that people never thought would be possible that have happened. I wouldn't count on this being an exception. People find ways.

Is there any evidence that the same number of females as males have ASD? I'm genuinely wondering. Is it being assumed that it's a 1:1 disorder, or have there been reliable, large scale studies that prove it?

And isn't it sexism to deny support and care because the person diagnosed is female not male?

And yeah we exist, I'm a female and I have asperger's.
 
There's a lot of things that people never thought would be possible that have happened. I wouldn't count on this being an exception. People find ways.
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yeah you're right who knows what could happen.

Is there any evidence that the same number of females as males have ASD? I'm genuinely wondering. Is it being assumed that it's a 1:1 disorder, or have there been reliable, large scale studies that prove it?

there is not any evidence of this, in terms of diagnosis of Asperger's many more men have been diagnosed than women like 3:1 or 4:1, i was merely saying that this higher incidence of male diagnosis could be down to male dominated research and diagnosis and not necessarily reflect the actual proportions of male and female aspies. though i don't actually know the real proportions no one does and larger scale studies are needed as well as female aspie research and diagnosis on a larger scale.

And isn't it sexism to deny support and care because the person diagnosed is female not male?
And yeah we exist, I'm a female and I have asperger's.

yes that would be extremely sexist and horrible, i don't think its so much that female aspies aren't given support due to their gender and more that the support is designed for men as that's where the research is done and therefor does not take in to account uniquely female aspie problems and issues that need support. again further reason for female aspie research.
 
It's alright. You're just missing [/ on the quote.

There are uniquely female aspie problems? What are some examples, I haven't heard of that before. And why wouldn't male support work for us?
 
It's alright. You're just missing [/ on the quote.

There are uniquely female aspie problems? What are some examples, I haven't heard of that before. And why wouldn't male support work for us?

i don't know fully after all im a guy, I've heard other female aspies complain about this, for example it is much harder to get a diagnosis as a woman and thus that is a uniquely female issue(without a diagnosis it is harder to get support), I've heard female aspies complain about not being believed when telling people of their Asperger's as they can often hide it and camouflage better than many male aspies, if aspies are generally vulnerable to being abused (which i think we are) then female aspie are even more so vulnerable to abuse that is a problem that needs attention, im sure there are a few other issues that a female aspie might encounter (though not necessarily) that me as a male aspie does not have to deal with.

male support does work but might not cover all of the issues you may face. if therapists and support workers know more about female Asperger's in particular would help in the support being given i imagine as will be more specific and targeted. after all men and women often feel very different about things and have different needs when it comes to support. its not so much it doesn't work but its quality maybe could be improved.

of course im no expert and have no real specific knowledge when it comes to this its just opinion, im not trying to offend anyone i just want to see equality in diagnosis, study and support as with other parts of life.
 
How is it harder for females to get diagnosed? Why would a female aspie be more likely to be abused than a male aspie? I'm curious, you seem defensive but I'm not challenging you or anything like that, I'm wondering what you mean. I'm not offended, you've done nothing wrong at all.
 
How is it harder for females to get diagnosed? Why would a female aspie be more likely to be abused than a male aspie? I'm curious, you seem defensive but I'm not challenging you or anything like that, I'm wondering what you mean. I'm not offended, you've done nothing wrong at all.

in the past I've heard that some women looking for diagnosis haven't been taken seriously, as previously there are some that believe there aren't any female aspies and though this is preposterous it does affect how easy how easy it is to get diagnosis, furthermore if you are having issues as a child and are male they are more likely to suspect Asperger's than if you are female and thus try and get diagnosis.

if we are honest there are more men out there abusing women than the other way round its pretty terrible, it does happen the other way round and in fact there needs to be more awareness of the fact women abuse men as well but if all aspies are vulnerable female aspies are more vulnerable as they are also more vulnerable from being female. obviously a lot needs to change to stop abuse on both genders and help us not being so vulnerable to abuse as aspies.

i am a bit defensive but only because i really want to avoid upsetting anyone as this can be a sensitive subject. as you can probably tell i am a male feminist, i think all men should be strong feminists after all surely we all want equality of both genders. i also am a bit defensive as in the past i have got a lot of flak and hate for expressing feminist views as a man as people suspect an ulterior motive (there isn't one, i just think gender equality is a noble goal) or because they think it makes me weak for as they say "giving in to feminist propaganda" which is obviously ludicrous im not weak for wanting a change towards gender equality.
 
Statistics seem to vary a lot and I think that's because men are less likely to be taken seriously as it's seen as something women are the victims of.

http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/abusiverelationships/a/male_abuse.htm

https://domestic-violence-law.com/domestic-abuse-against-men/#forward

http://oregoncounseling.org/Handouts/DomesticViolenceMen.htm

http://domesticviolencestatistics.org/men-the-overlooked-victims-of-domestic-violence/

There's plenty of awareness of women, but no awareness of the other half. Men suffer in silence. I don't think that's fair.

And isn't it possible they're not being taken seriously because they simply just don't have Asperger's?
 

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