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CBT experiences

Not every problem can be reframed away or accepted and incorporated into a fulfilling life
The following video features a very good friend of mine (he taught me light painting over two decades ago). He had a massive heart attack and is kept alive by an artificial heart. You can't even bathe normally when you have one as you are no longer a "watertight unit".


As you can see from the video, the bugger figured out how to go scuba diving with his and he is still alive and scuba diving more on his own without the medical support team eight years later.

Larrie and others like us reject your reality and substitute our own.
 
The following video features a very good friend of mine (he taught me light painting over two decades ago). He had a massive heart attack and is kept alive by an artificial heart. You can't even bathe normally when you have one as you are no longer a "watertight unit".


As you can see from the video, the bugger figured out how to go scuba diving with his and he is still alive and scuba diving more on his own without the medical support team eight years later.

Larrie and others like us reject your reality and substitute our own.
So he refused to accept perceived limitations placed on him by his circumstances, rather than accepting the limitations others tried to place on him. I have no idea how you're concluding that this undermines my position in any way. If anything, it supports it. His problems were not to do with mindset, but with constraints on reality. Rather than accept those constraints, he sought to overcome them.

CBT would probably have encouraged him to accept the fact that he'd never get to go scuba diving again, and encouraged him to focus on other things that seemed more within his control.
 
Simply erasing negative thoughts pays huge dividends.

BTW, A friend of mine gained significant benefits in using A.I. as a counsellor for something else.
If negative thoughts are faulty or not grounded in reality, then yes, challenging them and getting rid of them is the appropriate way to proceed. My point is that not every negative thought, perception or experience is wrong, invalid or responsive to reframing.

Ungrounded, delusional optimism sets one up for disappointment.

I don't advocate for pessimism. I advocate for realism. A realistic appraisal of reality involves recognising both the positive and the negative.
 
A limitation on CBT's effectiveness for certain individuals is that sometimes, it isn't actually faulty thinking that is the problem, but rather the adverse circumstances themselves. Not every problem can be reframed away or accepted and incorporated into a fulfilling life.
I wonder whether therapists would agree with that. I don't think CBT can cure everything but I'm curious how much it can do and whether it can help people in your situation who think it can't help.
 
I wonder whether therapists would agree with that. I don't think CBT can cure everything but I'm curious how much it can do and whether it can help people in your situation who think it can't help.
I don't think therapists tend to like acknowledging where talk therapy can't help, as it undermines the authority of the field, implies that changes to some frameworks might be necessary, and sometimes gives the therapist no alternative place to send the patient for help. It's easier and more convenient to try and make the patient fit into the model, even if they don't.

My determination that CBT and talk therapy are unhelpful for my issues is not something that I've arrived at lightly. There are several reasons for this.

I don't follow the Thought → Feeling → Behaviour structure that CBT assumes. I'm more like Reality → Structure → Meaning → Emotion → Action.

I don't start with feelings or even isolated thoughts. I start with structural evaluation of reality. I don’t act because I feel. I feel because something either fits or breaks my internal model.

CBT assumes: Changing thoughts = emotions change, but for me, changing thoughts doesn’t work unless the system becomes coherent.
I don’t believe things just because they are helpful or convenient. They have to make structural sense. If anything, therapists experience my thoughts as too coherent to be able to challenge as opposed to disorganised or distorted. I remember making one therapist visibly lose their composure in an instance when my chain of logic made their framework and apparent preconceived notions irreconcilable with each other.

I've had about 7 or 8 therapists in my life, and while a couple of them occasionally made good suggestions, I never experienced any change in my mental or emotional well-being with any of them. A couple of them even suggested or outright told me that therapy is not the appropriate intervention given my particular difficulties and the way I operate.

Like I said before, my understanding of the intricacies of my difficulties has come infinitely further through solitary introspection and analysis (and more recently, the assistance of ChatGPT) than it ever did with the help of any therapist, and better-understanding my situation has had a grounding effect, making old harmful but understandable beliefs untenable with the emergence of contradictory evidence.

My problems are not relatable to the majority of the population, so therapists in the past have often misunderstood or misclassified them, which has had a negative impact rather than a positive one. I don't think I've ever seen somebody with issues like mine say that they've benefitted from talk therapy, but I've seen many who have said it hasn't helped them.

I think the mental health industry as a whole is largely underserving and getting it wrong as it relates to people with issues like mine, so much so that I'm in the process of creating a theoretical framework that makes novel claims and predictions that aren't currently accounted for in the field of psychology. Elements of this theory have been discussed in posts I've made in other threads.
 
I disagree with your definition of delusional. There is always room for improvement.
Ungrounded, delusional optimism could be defined as believing there's a high probability or near-certainty that a specifc good outcome will happen despite sparse or zero evidence to support that belief, and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This generally involves ignoring or dismissing the constraints of reality in favour of what one wishes could be true.

I'm not saying that optimism itself is inherently delusional, if that's the interpretation you've arrived at.
 
The interpretation I have arrived at is that I will simply ignore you in the future. Life is too short to engage with people who are determined to be negative. Good day.
Suit yourself dude, but I'm determined to be realistic, not negative.

Also, just gonna put it out there that I engaged with every point you made, while you engaged with almost none of the points I made. The one time you did reference a point I made, your counterexample came closer to supporting my point than contradicting it.
 

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