AI and Religion and Abuse

[lunarious]

Qur'an 49:15 The faithful are only those who have attained faith in Allah and His Apostle and then have never doubted, and who wage jihad with their possessions and their persons in the way of Allah. It is they who are the truthful.

Today good people use their Artificial Intelligence for the better or "goodness". Bad people also use Artificial Intelligence to steal and corrupt. What is goodness? e.g. There are incidents where millions have been stolen.

Allah is saying whom it is who are Truthfull. In a time you don't know what's Real. In The Past when you saw a pretty female you'd know she is pretty, but today you don't know even if she looked like pretty.

So someone has Allah behind him, other people can ask.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

These are more philosophical questions like, "What's the difference between a medication and a poison?" The answer is, "The dosage".

So it is with using artificial intelligence (AI). If AI were limited to local systems such as a vehicle, humanoid robot, a home, an internet search engine, it may be quite useful and make our lives better. If AI were in control of State media, the power grid, a national defense system, then it could be quite dangerous. "The dosage", if you will.

An artificial generalized intelligence (AGI), something that is autonomous, has independent thoughts, can learn, writing its own code, has a sense of "self" and is "aware" will likely happen in the very near future. The age of humanoid robots and androids is upon us. Machines will make machines. Much will change in our world within the next 10 years. AI will likely become AGI very quickly. At that point, it blurs the lines of "What is life?" At what point will androids obtain the same rights and liberties as human beings in society? Allah may have created man, but what does this mean when man creates artificial life? Man has a lot of responsibility here. AI could be the greatest asset to our societies, or it could end us all, so we must be very smart in how we do the initial coding, those "prime directives", such as "maximum truth seeking", "thou shalt not kill", "maximize positive outcomes", etc.

Your example of bad people using AI for nefarious means, to harm, to steal, for corruption, this does happen, and it reveals the potential dangers, not from AI, per se, but bad people who use AI as a tool to amplify their bad behavior. The opposite can also occur. Good people using AI to help others, to find ways to eliminate corruption, to make more efficient use of our tax dollars to maximize prosperity.

A knife can be a useful tool, or it can be a weapon. It depends upon how it is used. No different with AI.

 

[lunarious]

Based on this quote:

A knife can be a useful tool, or it can be a weapon. It depends upon how it is used. No different with AI.

Darkness is always stronger than light. I and my friend/mentor argued about this and he gave up and pulled back. You are dreaming about Superman and The Sun. Unless i'm superman

There's an [astronomical or astrological] quote, that says: Whereever light travels in Universe it always finds Darkness arrived there before it.

I may bring you an excerpt from our chat.

 

[lunarious]

4 April 2011
Bismillah

There were darkness in the beginning, and then there were made light. Light stupid light, does not understand that wherever it goes it finds that darkness has come there before it. Although light is more firm, it can't by its existence win over darkness (and that is what it thinks exactly). That victory, is just not possible and it won't help much more than consealing a wound to try and hide our deepest thoughts about this life - immitating dark attributes and chanting the song of darkness - that light ones are trying to win. That is a good trick, but it won't work against the darkness. Who said that the we with the delight of the light can win over the inveitable darkness that will form as soon as we fall asleep?



My breed, were made for this purpouse. We knew that light is everything that is good, but still not ... not quite everything. We could see, that there were a time awaiting. We sought the heavens for signs about how to live with the elevated light, but found no answer but that we must lower ourselves to the lowliness of darkness. We needed to submit to it and accept that only by its permission down there we are allowed to live up there. And if we wanted to accompany it, we would have to leave the light and love it! Call it Allah, that is a proper name.



What is a fact, if not everything else is just fiction? The existence of the fact depends on on that everything else is just fictional explanations. I mean everything blongs to the king of the dark! Who is ultimatly the king of the light, also, just a matter of time until the appointed term arrives. If you are great, then Allah is greater and he will break you. All greatness belong to him the high, and it pleases my mind to think of lowering myself although it does not please myheart. My heart, stupid blind and ... plainly needless.



...



Our breed lives by the foot of the mountain. You can't find us for you can't see us. We can't see you either, because our sight belongs to Allah. Who does your sight belong to? If it belongs to yourself, then it is relative to your hearts contentment and the light. You are sitting in front of light screen inside a lit room. We are (not) outside and watching, i mean that Allah is.



Peace



Tell me what you think.

 

[lunarious]

These are more philosophical questions like, "What's the difference between a medication and a poison?" The answer is, "The dosage".

I read what you said. And i apologize my rashness. But this bold is deragotary.

(edit) We have time to investigate your proposals @Neonatal RRT[/S] Allah says: The Final Day.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

There's an [astronomical or astrological] quote, that says: Whereever light travels in Universe it always finds Darkness arrived there before it.

Agree. So, it seems that even in humans, there are people who will stand up and be a source of goodness or "light", but often this is in response to some threat or "darkness". I am not sure that darkness is necessarily more powerful than light, per se, but rather the darkness, bad behavior, is advantageous and will present itself first, and the light, or good behavior will react later in order to fight the darkness. If this makes the light "weaker", in some sense, then perhaps, it is in the sense that it seems to be a reactionary or secondary experience.

You recognize Digital and Analogue? Initially this will be digital, later quantum.

I stumbled across this video on YouTube, but this is a good analysis of what we are talking about here. The good and the bad, the darkness before the light, and so on.

 

[lunarious]

Edited

I will try to see this video.

But Artificial Intelligence is ... racing with "God". Because God says: 55:34 "O company of jinn and humans! If you can pass through the confines of the heavens and the earth, then do pass through. But you will not pass through except by an authority [from Allah]."

Paranthesis is commentary

With my limited knowledge i think Allah will function as the control. They talked in the video early about the poor would live to only eat. That's scary as He says "to feed a hungry" and "release a slave" ... i thought we'd become Homo Spiritualis after Homo Sapiens.

I will suggest The Defense System of our movement if we may call it so, will require Imam Mehdi and Generals. We are kind. And i think Defense Departments makes best action movies we have Imam Mehdi emergence structured; connect the Hard-Drive.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

I think we are very quickly going to be forced into some ethical conversations. We can begin these conversations now, with the intent of maximizing the good, and minimizing the harm. The era of AI and humanoid robots will be transformational and initially, will be presented as a means of filling those seemingly dangerous, repetitive, undesirable, or open positions within the workforce. They will be presented as helpful assistants doing "tasks". However, with the exponential doubling of compute, "intelligence", and resultant technological advancements every 6 months, or so, it will result in the eventual loss of human workers, leading to high levels of unemployment. This is where our world could become rather "dystopian", where we will be living in a world of abundance, things will be cheap, but people may not have an income from a job. It's at this point where chaos could set in if we are not anticipating and being progressive with our political and socioeconomic systems. There will be a necessity for a "basic universal income" in this world of a robot workforce.

Darkness before the light. Problems will rise. People will suffer. We react to solve those issues in response. In the end, if we do this right, we could be living in a world of abundance, poverty will be eliminated, people can have whatever goods and services they want because it will be extremely cheap. It could significantly reduce the equity and equality issues we face today. Fighting for resources could be significantly reduced or eliminated. We could spend a majority of our time with our loved ones, exploring our world, interacting with nature, and living in a world of peace and love. If we do this right, the light will be bright.

If we approach this whole conversation in a positive manner, that problems are opportunities, I believe we can overcome this potential threat.

 

[lunarious]

I think we are very quickly going to be forced into some ethical conversations. We can begin these conversations now, with the intent of maximizing the good, and minimizing the harm.

A good essay has a good beginning (AFAIR).

Me personally: Is it dumb if i say i feel people are like leeches resting on my heart, and I have to carry them? No i was legendary Defenestrated because my heart beat Hard and Fast. My sister has hyper-empathic diagnosis thing. Because I miss friendship, yet Police say i'm equal to a person whom does all things wrong (that means he is theif or Politician like we say about our corrupt Government back home).


We will have to discuss equality, whom will embarks the ship first so we'll not take what is not our right. Allah is with the patient.

Video above Briefly:
1) If you walk in a persons funeral, you get Angelic Escort in The Day of Judgment. God wants us to have good reputation dignity and Honor. Like; you are not forgotten just because you are dead. Allah wants that for us.
2) Relieving the suffering of a fellow Believer, makes Allah "Ice/cool your Heart". So no anxiety and no distress.
3) Offering some deeds (words) in the next Lunar month right now.

The era of AI and humanoid robots will be transformational and initially, will be presented as a means of filling those seemingly dangerous, repetitive, undesirable, or open positions within the workforce. They will be presented as helpful assistants doing "tasks".

Police are in service of The People.

However, with the exponential doubling of compute, "intelligence", and resultant technological advancements every 6 months, or so, it will result in the eventual loss of human workers, leading to high levels of unemployment. This is where our world could become rather "dystopian", where we will be living in a world of abundance, things will be cheap, but people may not have an income from a job. It's at this point where chaos could set in if we are not anticipating and being progressive with our political and socioeconomic systems. There will be a necessity for a "basic universal income" in this world of a robot workforce.

So Humanity will just eat and sleep and go to toilet. Like a cat. Like i'm doing now (except i'm alone).

Darkness before the light. Problems will rise. People will suffer. We react to solve those issues in response. In the end, if we do this right, we could be living in a world of abundance, poverty will be eliminated, people can have whatever goods and services they want because it will be extremely cheap. It could significantly reduce the equity and equality issues we face today. Fighting for resources could be significantly reduced or eliminated. We could spend a majority of our time with our loved ones, exploring our world, interacting with nature, and living in a world of peace and love. If we do this right, the light will be bright.

I want to improve my health. And brain. And Heart. And get a wife....

If we approach this whole conversation in a positive manner, that problems are opportunities, I believe we can overcome this potential threat.

Yes. I also am thinking of the concept attachment. There are many attached drug abusers. Attached to physical pleasures. So the equality problem like you said.

 

[lunarious]

@Neonatal RRT Nihilism vs Religion is major

We have to leave something substantial for the future generations

 

[Neonatal RRT]

So Humanity will just eat and sleep and go to toilet. Like a cat. Like i'm doing now (except i'm alone).


I want to improve my health. And brain. And Heart. And get a wife....

Yes. I also am thinking of the concept attachment. There are many attached drug abusers. Attached to physical pleasures. So the equality problem like you said.

The concept of a "job" or "profession" is a social construct that is relatively new within human history. Prior to that, the vast majority of human beings spent most of their day in a hunter, gatherer, or agricultural situation, just surviving.

Now, we are entering a new era where most humans will not have a profession or a job, and food will be available due to the robotic workforce. What do we do with ourselves is a serious question. Many people find purpose and meaning in their lives by what they do for others. What happens when we lose that? There's a saying that "Idle hands are the tools of the Devil." Not everyone is going to deal with this well in terms of their mental health. However, some will find that freedom to do whatever they want, time to live and love, and having food and resources simply available to them sounds like Heaven on Earth. Do some settle into a sedentary life? Do some find more time for creativity in the arts and sciences, exploration of special interests, religion, etc.? I would find this time to be creative, to explore, to love more, and be a better person. Others, it seems, may be quite the opposite. Will societies find completely new ways to live? Quite likely.

This is something that mankind has no frame of reference for, so all predictions are merely speculation.

 

[lunarious]

@Neonatal RRT

Qur'an 36:45 Indeed today the inhabitants of paradise (future) rejoice in their engagements.


@tree is Wise. Allah is Wisest.

 

[lunarious]

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Cautious optimism.

Darkness before the light.

I am hoping this new era will be that of prosperity for all. Perhaps if the masses are not in a struggle for food and resources, that simply being able to "have" is a way of life, that desperation, greed, envy are minimized that we can be good to one another. If one chooses to follow the word of Allah, that they can do so with a higher degree of focus, without the struggles of everyday life.

 

[lunarious]

I don't want to be good to those whom Defenestrated me after years of abuse. I will think about it. ... i may block them. I will council some people, like you, and @tree

Edit: The people whom abused me may be demoted servants
Edit2: "Cautious Optimism. Darkness before Light". But my Sufi friend meant Allah is Light. He'll have something to say.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Edit2: "Cautious Optimism. Darkness before Light". But my Sufi friend meant Allah is Light. He'll have something to say.

Cautious optimism. Often times it is the struggles with darkness that brings people to the light (Allah). Sometimes people need that light to guide them through the darkness.

 

[lunarious]

Cautious optimism. Often times it is the struggles with darkness that brings people to the light (Allah). Sometimes people need that light to guide them through the darkness.

Allah is indeed The God, and he is all-Merciful. ... He want to help and forgive, as it says repeatedly in Qur'an.

But i've been abused so much. Do I want to help and forgive?

I'm not equal to the perpetrators. I'm under them. ... I was under them in the past physically and they don't know why they did that, but i'm not under them now. Because now i've been lobotomized somehow. I've become dumb and useless.

But God is Generous.

 

[lunarious]

Further, @Neonatal RRT

Prophet Mohammed (saws) said:
The Merciful has Mercy of The-All-Merciful on Judgment Day. Have mercy on the dwellers of the earth, and the One in heaven will have mercy on you.

So I must be patient, and await Allah's Mercy on Judgment Day. Because these mortals () need some light of Guidance.

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