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Still Using Windows 10 Beyond Oct.14th 2025 ?

There is a sort of virus software for Linux called Clam. It doesn't remove any viruses, it doesn't need to, Linux is immune. All it does is point them out to you so that you don't accidentally email infected files to some poor dickhead still running Windows.

LOL. Yep....if you use portable media with common file formats for both Linux and Windows, having Clam might be useful in detecting malware that can harm Windows. I did have one experience where it detected a virus in Winetricks. That's about as good as it gets...:rolleyes:

Otherwise in Linux alone it's utterly inconsequential. Then again it's just as easy to keep your portable media exclusive to each operating system.
 
Because it can not get a virus.
Viruses don't replicate on Linux systems like Windows systems because of the permission model, but they are not immune to being cracked. All it takes is not keeping on top of your installed apps on a Web server (e.g. Wordpress or someone finding a way to do SQL injection and then they have user access. One web shell later they're poking around for the next opening and BANG, your server is rooted and cryptomining Monero or part of a botnet.

Can't be too paranoid about security, especially when you drive around in a vintage OS.
 
All it takes is not keeping on top of your installed apps on a Web server (e.g. Wordpress or someone finding a way to do SQL injection and then they have user access. One web shell later they're poking around for the next opening and BANG, your server is rooted and cryptomining Monero or part of a botnet.
A server is a very different situation to people's worry about end of support for Win10.

Naturally you'd be using a Linux server, wouldn't you? And if you're going to that trouble naturally you'd keep all your PHP and SQL up to date to prevent security hacks - they're usually updated pretty bloody quick in Linux. And those sorts of hacks aren't exploited by bots because they're gone again quicker than a bot can be created for it, those hacks require a human to actively attack your system.

There's an old addage about home security that also often applies to internet access - locks only keep honest people out. Relying on a third party's software to keep you safe is nowhere near as effective as your own vigilance.
 
I upgraded my laptop to Windows 11. It was free. @Outdated - I'm one of those dickheads. ;):p:D

We're going to do something with our desktop computer which can't be upgraded to Windows 11. Maybe just pay the $30 for the security support and updates for another year or buy a new computer when they go on sale around Christmas time.

We aren't gamers. I need computers to read the news, do the taxes, write letters and print envelopes with Microsoft Office, print recipes and articles I want to keep in hard form, and occasionally communicate by email.
 
We're going to do something with our desktop computer which can't be upgraded to Windows 11. Maybe just pay the $30 for the security support and updates for another year or buy a new computer when they go on sale around Christmas time.

We aren't gamers. I need computers to read the news, do the taxes, write letters and print envelopes with Microsoft Office, print recipes and articles I want to keep in hard form, and occasionally communicate by email.

Rather than toss out your old computer and increase the landfill, you can install a Linux distro on it to do all those routine functions you did with Windows 10. My other computer that I ran Windows 7 and 10 on for years now runs Linux Mint just fine with all the usual Internet chores, using Libre Office to occasionally print documents just fine.

Just start by using a Windows version of "Balena-Etcher" to convert the Linux Mint installation file into an ISO Flash Drive:

balenaEtcher - Flash OS images to SD cards & USB drives

Then download the ISO file for Linux Mint, and use Balena-Etcher to install it to a USB flash drive. Then boot up your computer with the flash drive inserted into a USB port. The Linux Mint installation process will queue you accordingly as it installs your new- and better OS:

Download Linux Mint 22.2 - Linux Mint

Beyond that, just make sure your computer's BIOS is set up to boot from a USB drive. Which may require you to change the boot sequence accordingly within the BIOS.

All things I had to struggle to understand at first, being a newbie to Linux myself. ;)
 
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A server is a very different situation to people's worry about end of support for Win10.

Naturally you'd be using a Linux server, wouldn't you? And if you're going to that trouble naturally you'd keep all your PHP and SQL up to date to prevent security hacks - they're usually updated pretty bloody quick in Linux.

That's what I'd be doing with Linux if I was still designing websites. Though professionally speaking I was forced to create some using ASP and MSQL, while I still also ran Apache 2.0 on my older Windows XP server. I had also Windows 2000 Advanced Server as well, though only to run strictly offline at all times. Ran PHP and MySQL effortlessly with Apache. My first real venture outside Windows since DOS when Windows was just a GUI and not a full-fledged OS.

But yeah, from a security perspective Linux would be- and presently is a dream when it comes to security compared to Windows. Not to mention how it handles memory as well. LOL..another thing about "Clam" and Clamtk. It doesn't run in resident memory. Doesn't need to...so like all Windows antivirus programs it doesn't suck up system resources.
 
I have a PC that I built myself and run Linux on it. I don't need anything that runs on Windows only, such as Microsoft Office. I use Libre Office and it's enough for my needs. I don't do anything too fancy with text documents or spelreadsheets. I keep a lot of things for work on Google Drive, because its purpose is easy sharing with others. I have Windows on my laptop, however. It was pre-installed and works just fine. It's the laptop that I use for work - so I don't keep there anything that I don't want others to see anyway.
 
I've had much less trouble with games later than around 2008 or 2010. Anything before then takes a bit of work to get running. I do have a running copy of a PGA Tour game a bit older than yours - 1996, and it runs just as it's supposed to, but NOT using a default Wine setup.

I think we discussed that issue some time back. Truth is that I have maybe one game simulation left that ran in native DOS. ("Silent Hunter", which I couldn't even run in Windows XP). Otherwise I want a far more sophisticated- and recent golf game. There is one on Steam that has a native Linux version, not as good as the EA games, but it may suffice. And of course my primary interest remains with combat flight simulators, particularly those regarding WW1 aircraft.

I did used to have a number of DOS/Windows golf games....Links, Microsoft Golf, Jack Nicklaus Golf, etc....but one-by-one I tossed them into the trash heap. Kind of wished I would have held onto them.

I've just gotten tired waiting for Microsoft to make Windows 11 stable enough to run only games. But I'd never use it to do much of anything else these days. Equally even though I have my old Windows XP computer running just fine again offline, it's still too primitive to use without getting bored with it all. My interest in Windows these days was only to play relatively modern games, or older ones ported to newer operating systems.

But Microsoft had neglected their primary product to such a degree that it may not be worth it to even try. Like so many other top corporate entities in the industry, their snouts are all stuck in developing AI these days, trying to suck up all the shareholder equity that is possible.

Often leaving their own customers often "high and dry", along with the computer gaming community as well. A pattern I don't see being reversed in the near future.
 
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I have a PC that I built myself and run Linux on it. I don't need anything that runs on Windows only, such as Microsoft Office. I use Libre Office and it's enough for my needs. I don't do anything too fancy with text documents or spreadsheets.

I suspect most Microsoft Office users can pick up and use Libre Office quite well. I think it's a great office suite and costs users nothing. Of course it's every bit as comprehensive as MS Office, so much of it I don't need in retirement. Still it's nice to have with Linux.
 
Can't be too paranoid about security, especially when you drive around in a vintage OS.

Then I'm guessing you have made the "appropriate modifications" in your router, apart from using third-party security software to pick up where Microsoft leaves off.

Just a yes or no question. No details solicited given this is an unprotected section of the forum. Given your feedback I can better understand your perspective, but cannot condone it given that most computer users are oblivious to such things.
 
I don't need anything that runs on Windows only,
Say you don't use Photoshop without saying you don't use Photoshop.

Then I'm guessing you have made the "appropriate modifications" in your router, apart from using third-party security software to pick up where Microsoft leaves off.
Somewhat more involved. It's Windows 7 running in KVM and the switch (used Symantec) only allows specifc traffic to/from specific addresses. No need to upgrade and I just roll out a replacement image if the system is compromised using a recent cloud backup.
 
Say you don't use Photoshop without saying you don't use Photoshop.

I still bust up laughing hearing Chris Titus' claim that Photoshop absolutely will not run in Linux.

For someone so qualified on a technical level, I have to assume he means much more current versions of Photoshop, as opposed to well....ahem......ancient ones that run better in Linux Mint than they did in Windows 10. (Courtesy of Wine versions 6 thru 10). Sorry Chris! :oops:

Same with Adobe Illustrator 7/8. Though I've found that Inkscape 1.4 in native Linux replaces Illustrator for all intents and purposes.
 
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Somewhat more involved. It's Windows 7 running in KVM and the switch (used Symantec) only allows specifc traffic to/from specific addresses. No need to upgrade and I just roll out a replacement image if the system is compromised using a recent cloud backup.

LOL. KVM ? Wish you would have mentioned that earlier. Now I see your point of view. ;)

Does that involve both 32 and 64-bit software that runs virtually just fine ?

Of course running such an OS virtually is not for the rank- and-file of the Internet who are so dependent on Microsoft screwing them with every new incarnation of Windows. It's a leap of faith in one's self for many to tackle Linux, all for the better IMO.

Though IMO it is a commitment well worth it compared to learning a new version of Windows.

Are you running Photoshop within it? If so, what version ? Just curious. Rather than run any OS virtually, I just use removable drives to run them independently. But I've always wondered about which later versions of Photoshop might run just as effectively as my 5.5 version.

Luckily I get by with such an outdated version no one seems to care about beyond abandonware. But it gets the job done, just takes a little more work than pressing a button that launches generative AI. :rolleyes:
 
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Does that involve both 32 and 64-bit software that runs just fine ?
Mostly 32-bit like RadioDJ, encoders for it, and my audio editing apps. I do most of my audio editing on Audacity under Linux these days.

Are you running Photoshop within it? If so, what version ?
I wouldn't bother trying. Always running the most current version of PS on a powerful Windows 11 system.

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That's part of my basement. I'm at the desk on the left at the moment.
 
Mostly 32-bit like RadioDJ, encoders for it, and my audio editing apps. I do most of my audio editing on Audacity under Linux these days.


I wouldn't bother trying. Always running the most current version of PS on a powerful Windows 11 system.

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That's part of my basement. I'm at the desk on the left at the moment.

Nice.

Yep, I default to using Audacity 3.4 with Linux. Just to tweak MP3s and little else. Did have an older version when I used Windows 10 though. Photoshop 5.5 serves me well when it comes to moderate photo enhancement. Hell, I don't even archive images in RAW format anymore. Getting old I guess...lol.

Quite unwilling to pay the ransomware charges of Adobe Anything these days. But running version 5.5 of Photoshop is nearly effortless through Wine. Just have to make sure to negotiate the color settings initially with my monitor. Depending on the Linux distro it can sometimes be a real PITA.

Using the Nouveau video drivers with Linux Mint makes it a lot easier to configure color concerns with Photoshop before switching my video drivers to Nvidia. Distros like Pop!OS install automatically for Nvidia users, making Photoshop to work with Wine a bit more problematic.
 
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I can see why one would still want to connect to Windows though, particularly for someone so immersed in photography. Especially given that camera vendors with proprietary software seemed so tied to Windows and Mac. Often leaving us Linux users SOL.

Though it makes me wonder if I might have any luck with my proprietary Canon software working in Linux through Wine. Haven't been aware of any of the major photography vendors interesting in porting their software to Linux. Understandable from a business perspective, but still disappointing.

An ugly dynamic to contend with when I needed to download software for my car and naturally they only catered to Windows. :(
 
I suspect most Microsoft Office users can pick up and use Libre Office quite well. I think it's a great office suite and costs users nothing. Of course it's every bit as comprehensive as MS Office, so much of it I don't need in retirement. Still it's nice to have with Linux.
Everyone always talks about Libre Office as if it's second best, I see it the other way around. I think Libre Office is far superior in many ways, starting with ease of use and going right up to the fact that it includes database management and Mail Merge that works flawlessly compared to Microtoss.

It's free, you don't have to pay a yearly subscription. All the database management, mail merge etc is also included, not an extra "business package" that you have to pay a further yearly subscription for.
 
I can see why one would still want to connect to Windows though, particularly for someone so immersed in photography. Especially given that camera vendors with proprietary software seemed so tied to Windows and Mac. Often leaving us Linux users SOL.
I would be running on Linux if I had a choice in the matter. I tend to push the limits of gear and if you do that you need a recent version of Photoshop. The company is getting more evil by the week, but they're still best in class.

Taking the wide view

Out of the darkness

Examples of the kinds of things I do.
 

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