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Putting together my own PC

Mattymatt

Imperfectly Perfect
I guess I kind of have a strong special interest in the BSD operating systems, OpenBSD in particular for its strong security. I have wanted to revisit something that I enjoyed doing when I was a teen. I liked doing my own PC builds because I knew exactly what was going in to it and I derived a good deal of satisfaction from the activity. I have been using an old Lenovo T430 laptop that is now starting to fail. The hard drive is super slow now and reporting sector errors and the graphics performance of it is pretty shoddy. No time like the present to build myself a desktop that I could also use to do some OpenBSD gaming. Yes, I actually discovered a reddit group called /r/openbsd_gaming and these guys are pretty hardcore classic gamers. I haven't played a video game like Quake or the sort since, well, I was in high school.

If I can manage to find some work, I think I'll build me an AMD Ryzen system. That should be a lot of fun. :)
 
When you build it, give us the specs. As an avid gamer and amateur programmer I like playing with computers myself so I wonder what you'll think up. Not exactly a specialist of OpenBSD gaming, though. More of graphical rendering programs lately, specifically playing around with different performance sets in Rhinoceros software, without much luck so far due to some rather slow clock times, meh.

Anyway, that does sound like a lot of fun if you got the budget and ideas to build something good.
 
Awesome! I would like to build my desktop too, probably at the end of the year (if black friday/cyber monday deals are nice), I have this laptop from 2012 and it still works fine but it's being time to upgrade/change it. I'll probably go with an Intel (i5 or i7) and I'm hoping to get my first discrete graphics card, all my computers including this laptop have came with integrated only =P
 
Lenovo t430 were solid machines. I sell a few PC's and I only ever sell Thinkpad and thinkstations, as they are best money can buy.

I'd put an SSD in it and use it for spare, or work. Any cheap disk would do. Gfx is never going to rock though of course.

Is openBSd better for games than Linux?

I use opensuse Gnome on my laptop, but I have a dell t5500 xeon 24GB that I'm thinking of dual booting or virtualising.

Use would be as a media and file server, remote desktop in case I need Windows, and games.
 
My special interest is computers, but I'm very poor with physical things with my hands so when I build a PC myself the good and bad are up against each other. I easily know what I have to do technically, but it's doing it physically that can be an issue sometimes for myself, for instance fiddly screws, motherboards that don't quite fit with the graphics card on the case, but worst of all fitting the CPU cooler, that's my most hated part. I can do it however.

I wouldn't put on OpenBSD personally because of compatibility with mainstream games because I understand it's no longer fully Linux compliant. I would use a Linux distribution however if you didn't want to use Windows 10 (I do hate Windows, especially Windows 10 with the spyware and bad privacy elements), many Steam games have a Linux version. If I really wanted OpenBSD I would dual boot it at least.
 
My special interest is computers, but I'm very poor with physical things with my hands so when I build a PC myself the good and bad are up against each other. I easily know what I have to do technically, but it's doing it physically that can be an issue sometimes for myself, for instance fiddly screws, motherboards that don't quite fit with the graphics card on the case, but worst of all fitting the CPU cooler, that's my most hated part. I can do it however.

I wouldn't put on OpenBSD personally because of compatibility with mainstream games because I understand it's no longer fully Linux compliant. I would use a Linux distribution however if you didn't want to use Windows 10 (I do hate Windows, especially Windows 10 with the spyware and bad privacy elements), many Steam games have a Linux version. If I really wanted OpenBSD I would dual boot it at least.

Windows 10 is awful. I detest it thoroughly, and I'd only ever dual boot it for games.

I might try Steam one day.
 
When you build it, give us the specs. As an avid gamer and amateur programmer I like playing with computers myself so I wonder what you'll think up. Not exactly a specialist of OpenBSD gaming, though. More of graphical rendering programs lately, specifically playing around with different performance sets in Rhinoceros software, without much luck so far due to some rather slow clock times, meh.

Anyway, that does sound like a lot of fun if you got the budget and ideas to build something good.

Here are the specs that I am looking at:
Ryzen 5 6-Core 3.2Ghz
2 1TB WD Black HD 7200 RPM in RAID 0 config
16GB DDR4 2133 RAM
Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card

This going to cost me something like 730.00 from NewEgg. I am going to continue to use OpenBSD because I've been using it since 1998 and I believe it to be the most reliable and secure operating system out there. You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands ;-) I am interested in using it for OpenBSD specific gaming so dual-booting defeats the purpose. In my not-so-humble opinion Linux is one giant kludge. I liked Linux prior to systemd and I used Debian for doing some things that would be an exercise in futility on OpenBSD. Now, it's OpenBSD or bust. And yes, Windows is awful .... I don't much like Mac either.
 
Here are the specs that I am looking at:
Ryzen 5 6-Core 3.2Ghz
2 1TB WD Black HD 7200 RPM in RAID 0 config
16GB DDR4 2133 RAM
Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card

This going to cost me something like 730.00 from NewEgg. I am going to continue to use OpenBSD because I've been using it since 1998 and I believe it to be the most reliable and secure operating system out there. You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands ;-) I am interested in using it for OpenBSD specific gaming so dual-booting defeats the purpose. In my not-so-humble opinion Linux is one giant kludge. I liked Linux prior to systemd and I used Debian for doing some things that would be an exercise in futility on OpenBSD. Now, it's OpenBSD or bust. And yes, Windows is awful .... I don't much like Mac either.
Shame you have such an under powered graphics card with an otherwise good machine. If you're only using OpenBSD to play retro style games I suppose it doesn't matter, but in that case the rest of the parts only need to be entry level too. I would at least get a middle range graphics card and duel boot it with a Linux distribution at least so you can run Steam (or Windows 10 if you can stand it's flaws) and you'll be-able to play the latest AAA games as well.
 
Shame you have such an under powered graphics card with an otherwise good machine. If you're only using OpenBSD to play retro style games I suppose it doesn't matter, but in that case the rest of the parts only need to be entry level too. I would at least get a middle range graphics card and duel boot it with a Linux distribution at least so you can run Steam (or Windows 10 if you can stand it's flaws) and you'll be-able to play the latest AAA games as well.

OpenBSD has pretty limited support for graphics cards. I suppose I could look into getting a Radeon HD 7730. This card is 99.00 and a little bit better. This PC is going to be purpose-built so that I can participate on the reddit group, /r/openbsd_gaming.
 
OpenBSD has pretty limited support for graphics cards. I suppose I could look into getting a Radeon HD 7730. This card is 99.00 and a little bit better. This PC is going to be purpose-built so that I can participate on the reddit group, /r/openbsd_gaming.
I see, that's a big thing they really need to improve upon if they want the operating system to be taken more seriously, I've read that Nvidia graphics cards should be avoided completely with OpenBSD and unfortunately you appear to be right, you're stuck with a very limited choice of outdated and now very under-powered low end AMD graphics cards that are overpriced for what they are because they don't make them any more when there's still some demand for them. If you dual booted to an operating system that runs Steam you'd only be-able to play lower end or older games entirely because of the poor GPU.

It just seems a great shame to have a PC that would be-able to play the latest AAA games if it had at least a good upper middle end graphics card like an Nvidia GeForce GTX1060 that start at around £200 (UK price) and a Steam compatible operating system, this would play most of the latest games smoothly at 1920x1080 even at the highest settings with the rest of the specs you've included. Even the Nvidia GeForce GTX1050Ti which start at about £120 or a similar AMD equivalent which is the AMD Radeon RX 560 which start at around £125 for the 4GB version (I'd recommend 4GB instead of 2GB) would play most of the latest games quite well. Unfortunately graphics cards are somewhat more expensive recently however, especially higher end because of a high demand for Bitcoin mining which is hitting PC gamers hard. There might be a way to install the low end AMD graphics card and a more powerful one in the same system with some motherboards, but I would imagine it would be a right can of worms and I haven't properly looked into it.

It also looks like it's almost impossible to run OpenBSD on a virtual machine under Windows 10 or a Steam compatible Linux distribution with a better graphics card, although I haven't fully looked into it and even if there was a way it would most likely be a huge can of worms too.
 
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I see, that's a big thing they really need to improve upon if they want the operating system to be taken more seriously, I've read that Nvidia graphics cards should be avoided completely with OpenBSD and unfortunately you appear to be right, you're stuck with a very limited choice of outdated and now very under-powered low end AMD graphics cards that are overpriced for what they are because they don't make them any more when there's still some demand for them. If you dual booted to an operating system that runs Steam you'd only be-able to play lower end or older games entirely because of the poor GPU.


It just seems a great shame to have a PC that would be-able to play the latest AAA games if it had at least a good upper middle end graphics card like an Nvidia GeForce GTX1060 that start at around £200 (UK price) and a Steam compatible operating system, this would play most of the latest games smoothly at 1920x1080 even at the highest settings with the rest of the specs you've included. Even the Nvidia GeForce GTX1050Ti which start at about £120 or a similar AMD equivalent which is the AMD Radeon RX 560 which start at around £125 for the 4GB version (I'd recommend 4GB instead of 2GB) would play most of the latest games quite well. Unfortunately graphics cards are somewhat more expensive recently however, especially higher end because of a high demand for Bitcoin mining which is hitting PC gamers hard. There might be a way to install the low end AMD graphics card and a more powerful one in the same system with some motherboards, but I would imagine it would be a right can of worms and I haven't properly looked into it.

It also looks like it's almost impossible to run OpenBSD on a virtual machine under Windows 10 or a Steam compatible Linux distribution with a better graphics card, although I haven't fully looked into it and even if there was a way it would most likely be a huge can of worms too.
It should be fine for retro gaming stuff. Again, OpenBSD is a very specialized operating system that is really for people with a strong interest in network routing and security. Both of which are my special interests within the computer field. OpenBSD has a niche following for people that like retro gaming. Yeah, the system I am building is ultimately an overkill and I am building a cannon to kill a mosquito but it should last me for a while. OpenBSD is a server, networking, router, and security OS first and foremost. I've used it for so long that I have an undying love for it. LOL! It powers my home network gateway, desktop, laptop, and a small server for my email and blog.

I learned Unix on OpenBSD when my college roommate in 1998 introduced it to me. He used OBSD to recover a term paper for me off of a crashed Windows 95 2nd Edition machine. I became curious and plunged headlong into it. After college, and in my career in IT as a Windows engineer, I made sure to throw in OpenBSD to protect Exchange and Windows Servers that were exposed to the big bad internet. When a Foundry Big Iron router failed at one of my contract jobs, I threw OpenBSD on a spare PC and we were operational again in an hour.
 
It should be fine for retro gaming stuff. Again, OpenBSD is a very specialized operating system that is really for people with a strong interest in network routing and security. Both of which are my special interests within the computer field. OpenBSD has a niche following for people that like retro gaming. Yeah, the system I am building is ultimately an overkill and I am building a cannon to kill a mosquito but it should last me for a while. OpenBSD is a server, networking, router, and security OS first and foremost. I've used it for so long that I have an undying love for it. LOL! It powers my home network gateway, desktop, laptop, and a small server for my email and blog.

I learned Unix on OpenBSD when my college roommate in 1998 introduced it to me. He used OBSD to recover a term paper for me off of a crashed Windows 95 2nd Edition machine. I became curious and plunged headlong into it. After college, and in my career in IT as a Windows engineer, I made sure to throw in OpenBSD to protect Exchange and Windows Servers that were exposed to the big bad internet. When a Foundry Big Iron router failed at one of my contract jobs, I threw OpenBSD on a spare PC and we were operational again in an hour.
Wow, I remember using Unix back in the 1990s. I did some quite complex programming in C Shell script on what were still known as minicomputers in those days, this was at work and I remember being in my element. Firstly I had to learn how to use VI which is one of the most non beginner friendly text editors ever, I remember using a keyboard overlay at first for all the key commands, people take user friendly text editors for granted these days, but with VI you can't even delete a character or move around the screen without remembering specific keys.

For people who are unfamiliar with the VI text editor, here's a video to give you a small taste of what a PITA it was for beginners:


Once you get used to it however VI does become surprisingly usable and it is capable of editing huge files on a basic terminal emulator, in fact it's still considered powerful even today. VI is still available in Linux, but mainly only old school users still use it because there's now a choice of numerous text editors that are much more user friendly with barely any learning curve.

I also remember Windows 95 very well, plus I remember it's awful predecessor Windows for Workgroups 3.11 which I was unfortunate enough to support in a networking environment at work for a good while, I say unfortunate because it was unreliable and temperamental to say the least, I constantly used to feel I was getting the blame for Microsoft's shortcomings when people complained about it's unreliability, expecting me to fix something that was impossible to make totally reliable at the time, but I had a damn good go. In those days Windows used to occasionally crash when it was heavily used, especially with networking, it was "normal" and you could only reduce it to a minimum, then I remember people attempting to share printers across the network, even with a patch I used to carry around with me on a 3.5" floppy disk it was very temperamental, especially printers that were shared via a PC rather than being directly connected to the network. Windows 95 was a welcome improvement even though it was still far from perfect, but I had to do loads of upgrades that became boring, repetitive and tedious, I remember also upgrading PCs to a minimum of 16MB of RAM because many only had 8MB which ran like a bag of nails on Windows 95, it's amazing how things have changed and we talk in GB now instead of MB (well it's now officially MiB and GiB, but I strongly disagree with this change that made established units GB,MB Etc. to the power of 10 instead of 2).

I think I understand why you want to use OpenBSD now even though you're severely restricted with what I would consider as obsolete graphics cards. Anyway I wish you the best of luck! :)
 
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Wow, I remember using Unix back in the 1990s. I did some quite complex programming in C Shell script on what were still known as minicomputers in those days, this was at work and I remember being in my element. Firstly I had to learn how to use VI which is one of the most non beginner friendly text editors ever, I remember using a keyboard overlay at first for all the key commands, people take user friendly text editors for granted these days, but with VI you can't even delete a character or move around the screen without remembering specific keys.

For people who are unfamiliar with the VI text editor, here's a video to give you a small taste of what a PITA it was for beginners:


Once you get used to it however VI does become surprisingly usable and it is capable of editing huge files on a basic terminal emulator, in fact it's still considered powerful even today. VI is still available in Linux, but mainly only old school users still use it because there's now a choice of numerous text editors that are much more user friendly with barely any learning curve.

I also remember Windows 95 very well, plus I remember it's awful predecessor Windows for Workgroups 3.11 which I was unfortunate enough to support in a networking environment at work for a good while, I say unfortunate because it was unreliable and temperamental to say the least, I constantly used to feel I was getting the blame for Microsoft's shortcomings when people complained about it's unreliability, expecting me to fix something that was impossible to make totally reliable at the time, but I had a damn good go. In those days Windows used to occasionally crash when it was heavily used, especially with networking, it was "normal" and you could only reduce it to a minimum, then I remember people attempting to share printers across the network, even with a patch I used to carry around with me on a 3.5" floppy disk it was very temperamental, especially printers that were shared via a PC rather than being directly connected to the network. Windows 95 was a welcome improvement even though it was still far from perfect, but I had to do loads of upgrades that became boring, repetitive and tedious, I remember also upgrading PCs to a minimum of 16MB of RAM because many only had 8MB which ran like a bag of nails on Windows 95, it's amazing how things have changed and we talk in GB now instead of MB (well it's now officially MiB and GiB, but I strongly disagree with this change that made established units GB,MB Etc. to the power of 10 instead of 2).

I think I understand why you want to use OpenBSD now even though you're severely restricted with what I would consider as obsolete graphics cards. Anyway I wish you the best of luck! :)
The Windows support world was incredibly tedious, repetitive, and often very, very boring. I too got sick of being the whipping boy for user's dissatisfaction with Windows whatever. By the time I started my IT career, I was supporting Windows 2000 Professional. I remember many unpleasant days with my back up against a wall because SQL Server or Exchange Server was refusing to play nicely. I quit one job after the Exchange Server got hit with a spam sending engine. This little engine overwhelmed the Exchange Server's send queue, essentially crashing that part of exchange. I warned management about the out of date antispam and antivirus software and they didn't want to pony up. In the end, I had to back-up every user's mailbox, re-image the Exchange Server, and restore everyone's mailboxes. I did this over a weekend, then told management that I wanted to be compensated for the work done and I wanted a raise. I was being underpaid to deal with this. They said no and I said, "Here's my two week's notice." I had been looking for a while and this pushed me over the edge to accept another job with less responsibilities and about the same pay.

It was nice when the day was over to go home to an operating system that just plain works. I've had OpenBSD boxes with long and continuous up times. The only time I reboot my OpenBSD machine is for kernel patches. With OpenBSD 6.2, a nice new memory management feature got added (similar to Java garbage collection) where if you have a rogue daemon that starts to leak memory, restarting the program returns leaked memory to the heap. It's clever really.

There used to be an excellent tutorial/cheat sheet from the University of Hawaii and I got to an intermediate level from that. I cannot do some of the fancy regex expression searches but I can functionally use vi to do everything I need to.
 

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