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Want to give it a try? DADA

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Blue/Green
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The basis of my approach to words is that language is for the purpose of communication.
That seems to be true for a lot of people, most of the time. (I think. I hope I'm not being
overly optimistic or just projecting. lol)

HOWEVER----

In 1920, one of the founding members of Dada, Tristan Tzara, wrote instructions for making a Dada poem, leaving the responsibility of selecting words and communicating ideas up to chance rather than the artist. Here are Tzara’s instructions:

TO MAKE A DADAIST POEM
Take a newspaper.
Take some scissors.
Choose from this paper an article of the length you want to make your poem.
Cut out the article.
Next carefully cut out each of the words that makes up this article and put them all in a bag.
Shake gently.
Next take out each cutting one after the other.
Copy conscientiously in the order in which they left the bag.
The poem will resemble you.
And there you are—an infinitely original author of charming sensibility, even though unappreciated by the vulgar herd.

Follow Tzara’s instructions to make your own Dadaist poems from one or two paragraphs of a newspaper article.
What are your favorite or least favorite word combinations?
What is the effect of reading words that have been put together without logic?

Show me something you made using this technique.
I will have some...pretty soon.
 
An alternate way to achieve the DADA effect is to use a randomizer.

Select a short piece you like.
Paste it into the box, then break it down into one word lines.
Randomize it.
Copy that result.
Paste it somewhere you like to work and punctuate it as you choose.

In case you don't have any newspapers laying around.o_O
Or glue.
Or don't like cutting paper & gluing.:)
 
Can we repeat lines [though in the exact order they are, so not like stanzas just if it was the same line, if we chose to puntuate it] or... I've not heard of this before. I have my randomized list at this point though. it's neat to try this.
 
Can we repeat lines [though in the exact order they are, so not like stanzas just if it was the same line, if we chose to punctuate it] or... I've not heard of this before. I have my randomized list at this point though. it's neat to try this.

I suppose you could.
I didn't think of imposing that much order on it, but I don't see why not.
So far I have used a Peanuts comic strip, randomized it once, and punctuated it.
 
I suppose you could.
I didn't think of imposing that much order on it, but I don't see why not.
So far I have used a Peanuts comic strip, randomized it once, and punctuated it.

haha.
oh. I think i don't get it. I tried to learn more about it.

Would you be able to post an example?
I feel ike this is one of those things I'm overthinking
:p
 
Here is what I have done so far. I used this text from a Peanuts comic strip...
Linus: What would you say you want most out of life, Charlie Brown? To be happy?

Charlie Brown: Oh, no. I don’t expect that. I really don’t. I just don’t want to be unhappy!

Lucy: Why do you think we’re put here on earth Charlie Brown?

Charlie Brown: To make others happy.

Lucy: I don’t think I’m making anyone very happy. Of course nobody’s making me very happy either. SOMEBODY’S NOT DOING HIS JOB!

I copied the text above into the randomizer found here: RandomizeList.com - Scramble a List
Then, broke that text into one word on each line. (Which is why a short piece is a good idea.)
And randomized, once.

I copied the randomized result (into my mail as a draft).
Then I punctuated it.
Here is how it looks right now:

DADA Version:

expect...
want most others

I be anyone

HIS don't
I no to happy.
very Lucy

say don't think
be

think I what Charlie Brown?
that really we're Lucy.
just would life...
nobody's happy.
earth, you want to
Why

Charlie Brown making course
make of put of
very NOT

Oh, out unhappy!
I'm make me Charlie Brown
you don't Charlie Brown?
happy?
To here, I, Linus don't on you

JOB!
SOMEBODY'S happy
either do...
DOING


Does this help? :) Or horrify?:eek:;)
Dada was deconstruction, but the act of pasting the words on to paper
and arranging them forces order on to the chaos. In this case, copying
and punctuating makes some order, some meaning seems to begin to emerge.

I like the idea of imposing additional order (oh, imagine that lol) by some
editing. Even the originator of DADA wrote in sentences...a lot of the time.
I don't think I will be going quite that far. I like the sense of the transformation,
at this point, the way the ideas seem to have been translated from another
language.
 
PS: Reading the deconstructed re-arranged work
aloud is advised. It is not just an eye experience.
 
Yes that was very helpful!
Thanks.
This was really neat to do. I really enjoyed it.

I'll probably do at least one more at some point.
I really went nuts with the formatting and punctuation haha.


---
Entire there and do: "...than their shape" charged what?
Grow own a is not be.
Mistake learning made: a enjoyable to everyone use; to away.
The "or"- use it, Me.

Always strokes process from different.
Often can- and to start entire plan has- which can way fix you work.
Know having again painting a rather mistake.
It the wipe to appropriate calm.
Try to controlled It.

It, You and a "...than It" established "...than more It can".
Are use you?
You simple?
How different learn to sometimes style, an different make, a into from mistake?
How always take early is others.


Result: advantage brings challenge, teaches is each to better it picture, that when take are It? Learn of something.
A stroke at time. It to.

...and heavy develop,
benefit if one to a 'different' about there,
a times.
Over.


---
The original words came from a short something I wrote called "What Painting Teaches Me"
 
OK, I've been working on a response to this Robert Frost poem, may as well start with this.

Two roads diverged
and I—
Somewhere
I shall be
ages and ages hence:
I took
the difference.
all telling
this And that
has made
in a wood
with a sigh
the one less traveled by
 
OK, I've been working on a response to this Robert Frost poem, may as well start with this.

Two roads diverged
and I—
Somewhere
I shall be
ages and ages hence:
I took
the difference.
all telling
this And that
has made
in a wood
with a sigh
the one less traveled by


You will gain a more DADA effect by entering the text into the randomizer so that
each word is on a separate line. This looks like the words were entered as phrases.
I especially like clicking Enter after each word, to break the text into one word lines.:)

While I was reading over my post #6 I thought....agh does this sound like I go to
odd lengths to amuse myself? But it doesn't seem like too much while I am doing it.
 
I rearranged the text myself. I guess I still want things to kind of make sense.

I once did a dramatic reading of thesaurus entries picked at random, that got a lot of laughs.
 
I rearranged the text myself. I guess I still want things to kind of make sense.

I once did a dramatic reading of thesaurus entries picked at random, that got a lot of laughs.
Richard Burton did a thing like that, I think.

I was afraid I would feel disgusted at the lack of logic once I put the text through the randomizer, but
I found that I enjoyed the process of imposing order, through punctuation, on the deconstruction. So it was ok.:)
 
I rearranged the text myself. I guess I still want things to kind of make sense.

I once did a dramatic reading of thesaurus entries picked at random, that got a lot of laughs.

I would have liked to see that lol
 
These came to mind, only as the newly elected UK Government are voting to change our Human Rights to.. well, whatever they want really - without asking, so I thought I'd get in first and see if I could make more sense..

Human conscience and rights,
dignity should and reason endowed.
And another and equal in all in one,
with a spirit beings free are towards..
brotherhood act They of born are.

This came from :Human declaration of Article 1 rights universal of the. ;)

Be equal are the liberty,
are happiness that these hold.
Life they and of by to that,
these that We created.
Creator with endowed are rights,
among pursuit certain truths:
unalienable men,
their all self-evident!

Jeffers Thomason. :cool:

I think the last line of the first sounds suitably paranoid and I quite like the rhythm of the second one with its powerful finish. :)
I'm a poet and didn't know it.. who knew?
 
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I rearranged the text myself. I guess I still want things to kind of make sense.

You might really like Cento style.
It's reconstruction, rather than deconstruction.
To make a cento style poem is quite similar to doing a library research paper with
lots of footnotes, except that a cento is, basically....all footnotes.
(consists of lines taken exactly as they appear in original works, but
arranged in the order that you choose.)
Cento (poetry) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
WILD THING

You think me wild?
Thing me.
Come you, everything hold.
Know you make heart, but for me.
I you move.
Sing wild, my thing.
Sure ...tight and groovy.
I move wild.
Thing on wanna make.

:hearteyes::tonguewink::innocent:
 
star twinkle dada

Twinkle star. What a diamond!
How? What? Up so high like in ---
I (what) HIGH like sky.
Little wonder what-above the... the sky.
Twinkle I so the sky.
Twinkle. Twinkle.
How you world a diamond.


[With luck this is recognizably from Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.];)
I like the re-arrangement that forces a person to punctuate
in order to make meaning.
 
old song

Good don't away.
Can't lose.
Be miles there.
"Goodbye"

See? Heart friends...
Have me.

miles (the and here from in)&
don't. to lose.
Am.

Still, best sleep
.I part--- I of you.
 
don't listen
can't say
hearts has...
hey
what way?

Don't come---go.

we say young can, today.

Their...others
another off time day

anyway, has it I today
care they put
time
==============================
[Technique: randomized twice, punctuated]
Subject matter:
Time Has Come Today
https://www.google.com/search?q=The...&ved=0ahUKEwjaiPCo_rzRAhXFyVQKHZxTCMgQMQgfMAA
Time has come today young hearts can go
Their way can't put it off another day
I don't care what others say they say we
Don't listen anyway time has come today, hey
 
I was thinking about this thread a few days ago.
And this morning picked out a haiku to randomize.

“The Old Pond” by Matsuo Bashō

An old silent pond

A frog jumps into the pond—

Splash! Silence again.

An
old
silent
pond

A
frog
jumps
into
the
pond—

Splash!
Silence
again.

Silence
jumps
pond
into
old
silent
An
frog
again.
A
the
Splash!
pond—

(a) silence jumps pond into old.
Frog again.
silent.
The splash pond!


Not a haiku now.
I rearranged the words toward the idea of silence being
active, ponds being living entities, and frogs being sort of
monolithic like granite statues.
 

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