The cure? for autism

[Leslee]

According to an article in Autism Parenting Magazine entitled "Is the Weed Killer Glyphosate Harming Your Health?" it states that over the last 30 years there has been a steady increase in autism. A cause for this would have to be something that wasn't there at the beginning of the trend and steadily increased. The author of this article had been studying autism and looking for its cause for 25 years.
It was found that people with autism had high levels of dopamine in their urine. The degree of autism severity was related to how high the dopamine metabolite level was. The higher it was the more severe the case of autism was.
The author found high levels of a substance identified as 3-(3-hydroxyphenyl)-3-hydroxypropionic acid (HPHPA) in autistic patients urine samples. HPHPA is a metabolite of Clostridia bacteria. Clostridia has been found to be markedly increased in people with autism. HPHPA inhibits the conversion of dopamine to norepinephrine, which requires the enzyme dopamine-beta-hydroxylase (DBH) to do so. Because certain phenols such as HPHPA (and others) prevent DBH from working dopamine may build up to high abnormal levels that alter the structure and function of the brain. The author concludes that "This connection between Clostridia and elevated dopamine is so prevalent in autism that elevation of Clostridia species is almost surely the major cause of severely abnormal behavior in autism."
So what does this have to do with glyphosate? Glyphosate kills the good bacteria in our bodies that help to control bad pathogenic bacteria like Salmonella and Clostridia, which are resistant to glyphosate. These bad glyphosate resistant bacteria proliferate and produce toxins like HPHPA. The author charts the growth of autism with the use of glyphosate and finds a similar correlation.
Zen Honeycutt, founder of Moms Across America, had a son who was showing signs of autism. She had him tested for glyphosate and found the levels in his system to be very high. She switched to glyphosate free organic foods and all symptoms of autism disappeared. This has been found to be true in many other cases where parents switched to feeding their autistic kids organic foods. So why isn't this "cure" more well known? Because glyphosate appears to be related to the development of autism why do we continue to allow the use of this chemical? Why aren't we shouting about this "cure" for autism from the rooftops? Why must more and more children risk developing this illness? Why must parents suffer as they watch their children develop autism and their case become more and more severe?
The chemical companies say that herbicides and pesticides are necessary if we are to feed America in the future. One farmer, whose family had been farming for years, believed his father died from atrazine poisoning. He said he switched to regenerative organic farming when he realized that he wasn't feeding America, he was poisoning it.
Please join Zen Honeycutt at momsacrossamerica.com in their effort to inundate the EPA with letters to ban glyphosate.

 

[Forest Cat]

Glyphostate, that's an ingredient in the most common weed killer everyone is using here. From farmers to gardeners.

 

[Darkkin]

Glyphostate (pesticide poisoning) suppresses the central nervous system and can mimic a number of neurological disorders including Tay-Sachs disease (in children), multiple sclerosis, Parkinsons, etc.

This fact has been known since the mid-90's. Pretty sure there is a Law and Order episode about it.

But autism is way more complex than banning of a single chemical. It is a unique neurotype that is not going to disappear just because glyphostate is banned.

Health-wise will it benefit people in the long run, probably. But it isn't a cure for a neurotype.

If based on their assertions and 'evidence' this should also cure illness like ADHD, schizophrenia, depression, bi-polar, anxiety...familial dysautonomia, literally any mental illness or neurological disease will be fixed by eliminating this one thing.

Eat solely organic food and your child will become perfectly 'normal'.

et cetera

 

[Darkkin]

I googled the banning of glyphostate around the world, some full bans are in place, many more full and partial are set to go into effect between the end of 2022 - 2025.

A very good thing, but if anyone tells you this is a 'cure' for autism, it's not. They're selling you snake oil in a bottle and preying on fear. It is predatory behaviour and witch hunting used to fuel uninformed hysteria about a complex neurotype stigmatized as a disease.

 

[Darkkin]

Reducing toxins when ever possible is a very good thing. What is wrong is claiming a removal of any single factor will 'cure' a disease without demostratable proof.

e.g.

Cretinism and iodine in Pacific Island Populations.

Thalidomide babies.

 

[Atrapa Almas]

I just saw a video about why dopamine is not related with depression and now it is related with autism...

 

[Neonatal RRT]

According to an article in Autism Parenting Magazine entitled "Is the Weed Killer Glyphosate Harming Your Health?" it states that over the last 30 years there has been a steady increase in autism. A cause for this would have to be something that wasn't there at the beginning of the trend and steadily increased. The author of this article had been studying autism and looking for its cause for 25 years.
It was found that people with autism had high levels of dopamine in their urine. The degree of autism severity was related to how high the dopamine metabolite level was. The higher it was the more severe the case of autism was.
The author found high levels of a substance identified as 3-(3-hydroxyphenyl)-3-hydroxypropionic acid (HPHPA) in autistic patients urine samples. HPHPA is a metabolite of Clostridia bacteria. Clostridia has been found to be markedly increased in people with autism. HPHPA inhibits the conversion of dopamine to norepinephrine, which requires the enzyme dopamine-beta-hydroxylase (DBH) to do so. Because certain phenols such as HPHPA (and others) prevent DBH from working dopamine may build up to high abnormal levels that alter the structure and function of the brain. The author concludes that "This connection between Clostridia and elevated dopamine is so prevalent in autism that elevation of Clostridia species is almost surely the major cause of severely abnormal behavior in autism."
So what does this have to do with glyphosate? Glyphosate kills the good bacteria in our bodies that help to control bad pathogenic bacteria like Salmonella and Clostridia, which are resistant to glyphosate. These bad glyphosate resistant bacteria proliferate and produce toxins like HPHPA. The author charts the growth of autism with the use of glyphosate and finds a similar correlation.
Zen Honeycutt, founder of Moms Across America, had a son who was showing signs of autism. She had him tested for glyphosate and found the levels in his system to be very high. She switched to glyphosate free organic foods and all symptoms of autism disappeared. This has been found to be true in many other cases where parents switched to feeding their autistic kids organic foods. So why isn't this "cure" more well known? Because glyphosate appears to be related to the development of autism why do we continue to allow the use of this chemical? Why aren't we shouting about this "cure" for autism from the rooftops? Why must more and more children risk developing this illness? Why must parents suffer as they watch their children develop autism and their case become more and more severe?
The chemical companies say that herbicides and pesticides are necessary if we are to feed America in the future. One farmer, whose family had been farming for years, believed his father died from atrazine poisoning. He said he switched to regenerative organic farming when he realized that he wasn't feeding America, he was poisoning it.
Please join Zen Honeycutt at momsacrossamerica.com in their effort to inundate the EPA with letters to ban glyphosate.

People were autistic for hundreds and thousands of years before glycophosphate. According to the autism genome project there are over 200 familial genes and over 1000 epigenetic or de novo genes implicated in autism. There are genetic differences between male and female autistics. There are at least 3 different genetic autism variants associated with dopamine turnover. Furthermore, the results of the autism genome project would suggest the greatest contributor to autism is "old sperm",... people having children later in life. This same group of parents are, statistically, more likely to have diabetes, hypothyroidism, and be estrogen "dominant",...all of which are strong risk factors by themselves.

Having said that, there is the psychological model of autism,... behaviors,...and the medical model,...anatomy, physiology, and genetics. Behaviors can be altered, but anatomy and physiology significantly less as neurons tend to live for nearly an entire lifetime, and we haven't been able to change the genetics.

As such, we can, though several mechanisms, improve functioning,... BUT this is limited due to the underlying medical condition. There are no cures from a medical model perspective. However, if some intervention(s) improve the functioning enough to "pass" as neurotypical, that may be perceived as a "cure",...and for some,...that's enough. To call it a cure,...that implies a critical misunderstanding of the condition.

We are all learning, and if you ever run across seemingly amazing discoveries, understand it may take another decade or two of research to solidify an "emerging truth" as "fact".

 

[UberScout]

"I have a story for you.

A man who has fallen ill with a plague was on a journey to search for its antidote. He traveled far and wide, and in his desperation, he foraged in the wild for anything that looked like it fought illness, and in his foraging he came across a silver acorn, which, when obscured from light, gave off a faint glow. As he had never seen anything like this in his searches, he did not know its purpose or what it was supposed to do, so he went to a nearby village to find someone who did know. He met an alchemist there, who appraised the acorn and told him it could cure any plague, no matter what it was or however it struck the body. All he had to do was drink something with it, and when it came to rest in his body, it would grow into a fern inside that would merge with the illness and dispose of it by leaving through the mouth as a cloud of steam. The alchemist was kind enough to give the poor man a flask of water so that he could do this and treat his ill before it got worse or spread to the village... But alas, as he swallowed the drink and the acorn with it, he began to notice a chill on his tongue, and his mouth became numb and tingled with the absence of feeling. And indeed, the acorn did grow into the fabled herb... at the cost of the man's body, which became as such... When the alchemist saw this, he smiled like a devil and crushed the leaves the man had taken shape of, and made more of this fabled medicine to give to the rest of the village, lying to the people and telling them that an outsider had come the previous night and gave him a gift of an herb sent from heaven that would cure any illness... Because you see...


The people of the village were also sick.


And they had the same plague the man that came to them did.
They had been begging the alchemist to hurry and find a cure before it took their minds.

But the alchemist that fooled the man, was in fact a devil himself. He was simply waiting for someone that had never been there before, because he knew that an outsider would have what he needed.


There is a lesson here, friend. Do not hold snake oil to the light of the sun and be taken by the promise made by its change in hue."

 

[Leslee]

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"I have a story for you.

A man who has fallen ill with a plague was on a journey to search for its antidote. He traveled far and wide, and in his desperation, he foraged in the wild for anything that looked like it fought illness, and in his foraging he came across a silver acorn, which, when obscured from light, gave off a faint glow. As he had never seen anything like this in his searches, he did not know its purpose or what it was supposed to do, so he went to a nearby village to find someone who did know. He met an alchemist there, who appraised the acorn and told him it could cure any plague, no matter what it was or however it struck the body. All he had to do was drink something with it, and when it came to rest in his body, it would grow into a fern inside that would merge with the illness and dispose of it by leaving through the mouth as a cloud of steam. The alchemist was kind enough to give the poor man a flask of water so that he could do this and treat his ill before it got worse or spread to the village... But alas, as he swallowed the drink and the acorn with it, he began to notice a chill on his tongue, and his mouth became numb and tingled with the absence of feeling. And indeed, the acorn did grow into the fabled herb... at the cost of the man's body, which became as such... When the alchemist saw this, he smiled like a devil and crushed the leaves the man had taken shape of, and made more of this fabled medicine to give to the rest of the village, lying to the people and telling them that an outsider had come the previous night and gave him a gift of an herb sent from heaven that would cure any illness... Because you see...


The people of the village were also sick.


And they had the same plague the man that came to them did.
They had been begging the alchemist to hurry and find a cure before it took their minds.

But the alchemist that fooled the man, was in fact a devil himself. He was simply waiting for someone that had never been there before, because he knew that an outsider would have what he needed.


There is a lesson here, friend. Do not hold snake oil to the light of the sun and be taken by the promise made by its change in hue."

Ah now you're talking about c*vid vaccines.

 

[Leslee]

People were autistic for hundreds and thousands of years before glycophosphate. According to the autism genome project there are over 200 familial genes and over 1000 epigenetic or de novo genes implicated in autism. There are genetic differences between male and female autistics. There are at least 3 different genetic autism variants associated with dopamine turnover. Furthermore, the results of the autism genome project would suggest the greatest contributor to autism is "old sperm",... people having children later in life. This same group of parents are, statistically, more likely to have diabetes, hypothyroidism, and be estrogen " dominant",...all of which are strong risk factors by themselves.

Having said that, there is the psychological model of autism,... behaviors,...and the medical model,...anatomy, physiology, and genetics. Behaviors can be altered, but anatomy and physiology significantly less as neurons tend to live for nearly an entire lifetime, and we haven't been able to change the genetics.

As such, we can, though several mechanisms, improve functioning,... BUT this is limited due to the underlying medical condition. There are no cures from a medical model perspective. However, if some intervention(s) improve the functioning enough to "pass" as neurotypical, that may be perceived as a "cure".

We are all learning, and if you ever run across seemingly amazing discoveries, understand it may take another decade or two of research to solidify an "emerging truth" as "fact".

one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.”

People were autistic for hundreds and thousands of years before glycophosphate. According to the autism genome project there are over 200 familial genes and over 1000 epigenetic or de novo genes implicated in autism. There are genetic differences between male and female autistics. There are at least 3 different genetic autism variants associated with dopamine turnover. Furthermore, the results of the autism genome project would suggest the greatest contributor to autism is "old sperm",... people having children later in life. This same group of parents are, statistically, more likely to have diabetes, hypothyroidism, and be estrogen " dominant",...all of which are strong risk factors by themselves.

Having said that, there is the psychological model of autism,... behaviors,...and the medical model,...anatomy, physiology, and genetics. Behaviors can be altered, but anatomy and physiology significantly less as neurons tend to live for nearly an entire lifetime, and we haven't been able to change the genetics.

As such, we can, though several mechanisms, improve functioning,... BUT this is limited due to the underlying medical condition. There are no cures from a medical model perspective. However, if some intervention(s) improve the functioning enough to "pass" as neurotypical, that may be perceived as a "cure".

We are all learning, and if you ever run across seemingly amazing discoveries, understand it may take another decade or two of research to solidify an "emerging truth" as "fact".

One thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see," said the blind man after Christ healed him. That's all that mattered. It worked.

 

[Leslee]

Glyphostate (pesticide poisoning) suppresses the central nervous system and can mimic a number of neurological disorders including Tay-Sachs disease (in children), multiple sclerosis, Parkinsons, etc.

This fact has been known since the mid-90's. Pretty sure there is a Law and Order episode about it.

But autism is way more complex than banning of a single chemical. It is a unique neurotype that is not going to disappear just because glyphostate is banned.

Health-wise will it benefit people in the long run, probably. But it isn't a cure for a neurotype.

If based on their assertions and 'evidence' this should also cure illness like ADHD, schizophrenia, depression, bi-polar, anxiety...familial dysautonomia, literally any mental illness or neurological disease will be fixed by eliminating this one thing.

Eat solely organic food and your child will become perfectly 'normal'.

et cetera

The article says if not treated early enough the damage from glyphosate and clostridia may become too severe to reverse.

 

[UberScout]

Ah now you're talking about c*vid vaccines.

"Well, I never said the illness was of a certain kind, of course. It's just something to help you understand the message better. I've been told I have a unique way of guiding others."


Isn't creativity an amazing thing?

 

[Slime_Punk]

The antivax crowd seems to have many 'cures' for autism that the medical community can't verify. The problem is, they're selling false hope to people and demonizing autism in the process, both of which can be extremely harmful in a society who has trouble dealing with the uncomfortable truth - there's still no known cure for autism.

I was sold a similar lie about my supposed ADHD when I was a kid; all I had to do was eat more meat, less granola bars and cereal, and I'd be cured. Well, I stopped having panic attacks and meltdowns, so that part was a definite win. But here I am, eating a whole-foods diet, with the same autism I was born with. Go figure.

Also, if you really want an aspie's opinion on the matter, curing autism could seriously break somebody as well. I couldn't imagine what would happen if the good parts of my ASD up and vanished based on a miracle-cure.

 

[Darkkin]

Any 'cure' for autism amounts to little more than publicly approved eugenics and we all know how that end...

 

[Crossbreed]

Furthermore, the results of the autism genome project would suggest the greatest contributor to autism is "old sperm",... people having children later in life.

My dad was 27 when I was born, and we see likely ASD1s in our family line.
I was 25 when my ASD2 son was born and 32 for my ASD3 daughter.

 

[Gerald Wilgus]

The biggest blunder that non scientists make is confusing correlation with causation. We know that everybody who is born dies, but to then state that birth is the cause of death is pretty silly. Some attempts to create causation are fraudulent such as the claims that vaccines cause autism or that laetrile cures cancer.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

My dad was 27 when I was born, and we see likely ASD1s in our family line.
I was 25 when my ASD2 son was born and 32 for my ASD3 daughter.

There are genetically familial cases. There are genetic cases specific to teenage fathers. There are specific genetic cases associated with "older parents". One take away from the autism genome project is that there are many, many types of autism,...hence the language "autisms"

 

[Tom]

A connection between pesticides an autism has already been established in 2-3 studies. But there it postulated that the mother being exposed to pesticides prior to pregnancy or perhaps during pregnancy increased the chance of development of genetic mutations/variations that are associated with autism.

But 2-3 studies is just scratching the surface and much more needs to be done to prove and further explain this link.

An article in a magazine is not a published study, though perhaps it is based on one. People have been claiming cures for autism for many years now and so far none have been proven any more effective then:

So personnally I don't take any claims seriously unless they show me the study and I can see for myself. And I will look, not just at the study but also where it is published. You must also remember that single studies have limited value. There must be additional ones verifying and building on the groundwork. Autism studies professing cures also tend to suffer from miniscule samples.

So please share your source studies.

 

[Thinx]

As @Tom says, the Autism parenting magazine is not the first place a researcher would publish their research, valid research is published in journals that have a selection process and understand the field of research they publish. These would be peer reviewed journals. Where is the research you refer to published, apart from the magazine where you read an article by the researcher? Is the research part of a programme or a small private project by the author. These are things anyone needs to know about an idea, before supporting it. Can you let us know the answers to this. I certainly think it's established that this product is harmful, but I do not think it's established that this is a cause in itself of autism. I suppose it could be a cause of some symptoms that have been misdiagnosed as autism, too, couldn't it? We can't make blanket assumptions based on magazine articles withoutdetails of the research it's based on, or the author/researchers status as a researcher in this area, plus the place the original research is published.



A peer-reviewed publication is also sometimes referred to as a scholarly publication. The peer-review process subjects an author's scholarly work, research, or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field (peers) and is considered necessary to ensure academic scientific quality. Quoted from the USGS website, an organisation that monitors research in your country.

 

[Leslee]

A connection between pesticides an autism has already been established in 2-3 studies. But there it postulated that the mother being exposed to pesticides prior to pregnancy or perhaps during pregnancy increased the chance of development of genetic mutations/variations that are associated with autism.

But 2-3 studies is just scratching the surface and much more needs to be done to prove and further explain this link.

An article in a magazine is not a published study, though perhaps it is based on one. People have been claiming cures for autism for many years now and so far none have been proven any more effective then:

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So personnally I don't take any claims seriously unless they show me the study and I can see for myself. And I will look, not just at the study but also where it is published. You must also remember that single studies have limited value. There must be additional ones verifying and building on the groundwork. Autism studies professing cures also tend to suffer from miniscule samples.

So please share your source studies.

Here is the article

Is the Weed Killer Glyphosate Harming Your Health?

Glyphosate is used to kill the weeds of food plants and could potentially be harmful to your health. Discover more about the chemical and its possible connection to autism.

www.autismparentingmagazine.com

I'll admit one or two cases of improvement certainly don't make a cure. Also you cannot overlook the role played by clostridia (which existed before glyphosate). The author shows an increase in the incidence of autism that seems to correlate with the increase in the use of glyphosate.
I first learned of autism when read the book Son Rise quite a number of years ago. I don't have the book now, but if I remember correctly the boy showed the greatest improvement when they changed to a healthier diet- organic?- I don't remember exactly.