Science versus religion and the creation story your thoughts

[Rachie]

Hi everyone, some summer reading may be for some of you.

What are your views on this subject to you- do you think that there being a Creator God is in harmony/support with the creation story and Science theories of creation or do you think that science and the creation story are incompatible and why.

I am not an expert in this area by any means of science theories. When I was an undergraduate at university I myself was drawn to study a module called Creation, Science and Faith today in my degree course of religious studies major/communications minor. This was before this subject was popular or before the internet was even common place at home to discuss on forums etc. I formed these views alone.

I formed the view that the creation story which applies to the three Abrahamic faiths was not at odds with the Big Bang theories/Comsic Inflation and many believers in God also support this view. The work of Hugo Ross and Gerald L Schroeder who are experts might be a good place to explore more on this subject.

The below is from information online about the theories-the Steady state theory is seen by many as outdated now. I have uploaded an astrophysics magazine at the end which can clicked on and saved and enlarged to read privately.

Scientific Theories:

Big Bang Theory:
This is a cosmological model for the universe's evolution, suggesting it expanded from an extremely hot, dense state. Evidence like redshift and cosmic microwave background radiation supports this theory.

Steady State Theory:
An older theory that proposed the universe has always existed and is continuously creating matter. It has largely been superseded by the Big Bang theory.

Other Theories:
BBC platforms delve into various scientific ideas, such as theories about the nature of dark matter, Einstein's theory of relativity, and the implications of chaos theory.
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I will give you my blog post, but this post is much more developed than that-but has got a short video of the globe that some might like to see.
Holding onto God the Creator

 

[TBRS1]

It depends on how literally or metaphorically you take the Biblical creation story.

For example, the whole "seven days of creation" makes zero literal scientific sense, but as a metaphorical timeline can work.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Too many questions left unanswered: Who created "God"? Does this imply some sort of parentage, a family, a community of Gods? What is a God...another form of life...and we, primitive beings perceive them as supernatural? Does "something" come from "nothing" or is this a misinterpretation of facts that simply elude us?

We can banter back and forth about this, but as mere human beings looking at the far and distant past, things being unwitnessed, all of this is speculation, no matter what science or the great religious texts would suggest.

We could waste a lot of mental energy on these topics or we can focus upon today and our futures.

 

[lunarious]

If i'm right, i believe there's 1) wisdom and there's 2) infinite knowledge. Wisdom takes you out of "the matrix or samsara", where you yield to someone as God or a teacher.

Dharmic Religions are called circular religions. Abrahamic or Monotheistic faiths are called linear religions, because there's a start and a stop.

Dharmic Religions might believe in Steady State Theory (it's new to me). Abrahamic Religions might believe in Big Bang Theory.

 

[FayetheADHDsquirrel]

I believe in a literal 7 day Creation and don't see that it contradicts science at all. I used to watch a lot of videos from Kent Hovind that explained how the 7 day Creation and scientific evidence could fit together quite well.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I had spent many years going through the same topic and it all comes to this one question.
Does one believe God and what He says,
Or does one believe people and what they say?


The answer to the question either way takes faith to answer, because if we believe in either, we put our faith and trust in the one or the other.

 

[RemyZee]

I had spent many years going through the same topic and it all comes to this one question.
Does one believe God and what He says,
Or does one believe people and what they say?


The answer to the question either way takes faith to answer, because if we believe in either, we put our faith and trust in the one or the other.

But why can't a person have faith in both people and God. There are some truly good people out there, and I have met them and found myself trusting them/having faith in them, believing in them and what they say and their actions. I can also believe in God and have faith in God. I don't know why those things can't coexist.

 

[FayetheADHDsquirrel]

But why can't a person have faith in both people and God. There are some truly good people out there, and I have met them and found myself trusting them/having faith in them, believing in them and what they say and their actions. I can also believe in God and have faith in God. I don't know why those things can't coexist.

I think he is referring to when there is a situation where there is a disagreement between what a person says and what God says.

 

[Shevek]

"The" creation story? There are thousands to choose from. People have always tried to fill in the blanks with imagination, and then become convinced they had it right when their story seemed to mesh well and get repeated. Scientific orthodoxy also changes with every new generation or so these days. I don't think our language can ever describe ultimate truth except in metaphors that are almost always misunderstood.

 

[Gerald Wilgus]

I will never forgive ANY god that created me with autism. That said, there is absolutely no evidence for a supernatural power creating the Cosmos. For millennia people have had the opportunity to provide evidence for a god, but none is forthcoming in our universe which is naturalistic and materialistic. Chasing after supernatural creation is chasing the god of the gaps.

 

[lunarious]

I will never forgive ANY god that created me with autism. That said, there is absolutely no evidence for a supernatural power creating the Cosmos. For millennia people have had the opportunity to provide evidence for a god, but none is forthcoming in our universe which is naturalistic and materialistic. Chasing after supernatural creation is chasing the god of the gaps.

I've followed what God The Master said and a couple decades later i've aqcuired being Defenestrated by Hellspersonell. Some people will try to change my achievement, ... but we already know people do that. So at Judgment Day Allah may be like: "Hey! I'm Talking! Sit in your place! Royally "

So i'm ASD too. But when it's darker, that's when stars shine brightest. Mind your business, and don't care about others.

Spoiler: The Master said

2:23 and 2:24 And if you are in doubt concerning what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a surah like it, and invoke your helpers besides Allah, if you are truthful. But if you do not—and you will not—then beware the Fire whose fuel will be humans and stones, prepared for the faithless.

Spoiler: The Master also said

25:25 The day when the sky with its clouds will be split open, and the angels will be sent down [in a majestic] descent, 25:26 on that day true sovereignty will belong to the All-beneficent, and it will be a hard day for the faithless.

We want to be on The Right team. People fear God, rightfully. They call it Islamophobia. I'm very scared... i'm scared from @tree but also Allah. I'm screwed man. But sadly not dead yet.

Editadd: Although @tree is cute and intelligent

 

[lunarious]

"The" creation story? There are thousands to choose from. People have always tried to fill in the blanks with imagination, and then become convinced they had it right when their story seemed to mesh well and get repeated. Scientific orthodoxy also changes with every new generation or so these days. I don't think our language can ever describe ultimate truth except in metaphors that are almost always misunderstood.

Nice/good job

I'm preoccupied with Halal, as Police use gloves, for purity. ... for me Allah is Real, like Hell is Real

 

[Rachie]

But why can't a person have faith in both people and God. There are some truly good people out there, and I have met them and found myself trusting them/having faith in them, believing in them and what they say and their actions. I can also believe in God and have faith in God. I don't know why those things can't coexist.

For me us having God as Creator and the Big Bang Theory and him doing this is not incompatible.
I believe in a litreal interpretation of the Bible as well and that the world was created in six days.
There is no dispute with me with this.

I also did about dating of rocks in my studies to reveal the ate of creation of the world. Me, really I am only interested in going to the Genesis story and not dig for further. Some might try and do so, but not me, I don't go beyond that.

I would not look into who made God myself-but just look at the Comsic Inflation theory/Big Bang Theory and say God is more than capable of this...

I am hunting for my old essay on this subject as it was simple worded for a science/Christian essay and I managed to pass the module. I will look at my old textbooks to.

 

[lunarious]

I Believe in Allah (you say God) and science.

There are idiots out there. Idiot means 'politically outsider'. ... they are entertainers though. SFP is called entertainer. We say Klovn in Norway meaning Clown.

You are clown upside-down when you don't Believe in Reality and God, it's free will to be SFP or Clown.

SP are red temperament.

For more: Keirsey Temperament Assessment

Edit: I think it's OK to be Clown (red temperament), not Scary Clown though. Within that frame from KTS it's OK to be clown.

Because a scholar said it, maybe he is INFJ or INTJ. We are allowed to Believe in God and science. Within God and Science.