Religion shaming

[NB79]

For me it's not religion anyway, is more interesting than that, i understand
people don't have faith.

But why i should be ashamed of positive comments made about my faith.
For me it's an important part of my life.

Funny because you can talk about suicide, sexual stuff, some other depraved stuff maybe, alcohol and drugs.

I think this society, is more than becoming secular, is even becoming a bit 'satanic'.

 

[Rachie]

You know before I started posting I went through past posts and didn't want to repeat and was looking to get an idea of things what is going on. Also, where you can you will look and see if something exists so you can bump it. You know it I saw a post by your name saying similar and I will like hmmm, means unsure. I can see your issue back then having stayed some time. Nobody is perfect though.
I think here people should open their own posts as has been done today to avoid things that have been going on in threads.
I studied religious studies I have my beliefs and other people have their own. We are all entiteld to it and should be able to be respected. There is evil and you just have to be on guard.
Thank you for posting.

 

[Levitat0r]

The old generation always thinks the previous one has gone totally insane, and they always think it's an exceptional kind of insane. And I can't help but give in to opine in that pattern, because it feels like the world is really coming apart, as there is suppression of all manner of speech and opinions which seemed sacred up until recently. It is very often that you see the teeth and claws come out, and from just about any random surprise place.

If someone powerful does something wrong, free speech is not sacred, suddenly it's "politics" that's taboo, even if it's a matter of plain right and wrong. Religion used to be untouchable based on the First Amendment, but now that's unacceptable, too. You are seeing the return of racism, and the resurrection of all manner of spectres and monsters which were not only laid to rest, but with much condemnation and lamentation to the effect of; "How did they not see it coming? Were they crazy?" And now, they are crazy again. One wonders if maybe Revelation is an "instanced" event which happens over and over again, but to a different group each time. We can hope that the victims of previous dictators departed on a good journey in good company, and in better shape than what I have witnessed, because if faith is a matter of perspective, and you see the world passing away, then so are you. I say good riddance to that ball of dirt, but where is good company for the journey?

 

[FilterFreq]

Funny because you can talk about suicide, sexual stuff, some other depraved stuff maybe, alcohol and drugs.

But you can't make a innocuous comment about the Holy spirit, which is not meant to be about debating even.

I think it depends on the company. In my experience, the group who talks about the first set of things openly won't be talking a whole lot about religion a decent portion of the time, whereas those getting together to talk about positive and even spiritual experiences probably aren't discussing the morbid side of life too much.

Religion is unfortunately always going to be a conversation-starter, even if you don't mean for it to be. The dark side of life is very concrete and matter-of-fact (death kind of unites us all, eventually), but faith isn't quite as tangible. And what 'faith' means to us can be extremely personal, meaning almost entirely different things... even in the same exact denomination of the same exact religion, really.

My personal approach in life is to be ready for a conversation if I start one (even if it's accidental), so I like to keep in mind that some things aren't meant to be shared with everyone. But in opening cans of worms, I've learned to enjoy the backlash and remember that everyone's got an opinion. Even if it's different from mine.

 

[thejuice]

I'm still an atheist, perhaps agnostic. The older I get and the more.life humbles you, I realise how society has discarded a lot of the built up wisdom and culture of our forebears. A lot of that truth is contained in parables and such.

 

[Levitat0r]

I think it depends on the company. In my experience, the group who talks about the first set of things openly won't be talking a whole lot about religion a decent portion of the time, whereas those getting together to talk about positive and even spiritual experiences probably aren't discussing the morbid side of life too much.

Religion is unfortunately always going to be a conversation-starter, even if you don't mean for it to be. The dark side of life is very concrete and matter-of-fact (death kind of unites us all, eventually), but faith isn't quite as tangible. And what 'faith' means to us can be extremely personal, meaning almost entirely different things... even in the same exact denomination of the same exact religion, really.

My personal approach in life is to be ready for a conversation if I start one (even if it's accidental), so I like to keep in mind that some things aren't meant to be shared with everyone. But in opening cans of worms, I've learned to enjoy the backlash and remember that everyone's got an opinion. Even if it's different from mine.

I was going to say something sarcastic, but then I remembered that it's literally true, and not sarcasm. I was going to say; I bet you the people who killed Jesus blamed him for being weak enough to die from murder, and then I recalled that they indeed laughed and told him to save himself first. I wonder why people discuss dark things or contemplate suicide. You don't know? Really?

 

[Levitat0r]

I'm still an atheist, perhaps agnostic. The older I get and the more.life humbles you, I realise how society has discarded a lot of the built up wisdom and culture of our forebears. A lot of that truth is contained in parables and such.

The Bible tells you that life will humble you, and it demonstrates that poverty, and scarcity, and sickness, and disabilities, and trials, and voids are just to make space for better things. That was illustrated both by Joseph, who was sold into slavery, and Job, who lost everything. If you suspect God is pulling, it's better to add your own motivation than to wait until things are unbearable, because you're warned that life and the world it begins on are temporary. I know you can't just will yourself to have faith. I asked God for a favor, in terms of unmistakable miracles, of a certain description, and I felt like he said "Sure, I can do anything. There you go. However, it's you that's supposed to learn to follow me, not the other way around. So, now it's back to God things for me, and you follow and learn." So, that to me, was how faith started and proceeded. You seldom understand what God is doing, but he will give you the mustard seed he promised. And the Bible said that he who asketh receiveth.

 

[FilterFreq]

I wonder why people discuss dark things or contemplate suicide. You don't know? Really?

I'm not entirely sure what this part of your post means. That part comes naturally since we're aware of our mortality, but faith is something we kind of develop and foster over time, if at all.

Faith can be challenging to a lot of people for a variety of different reasons (even just as a response to what life has handed them), so the weight and baggage behind both are very different. I'd say struggling with faith is possibly even harder than struggling with death, for some.

 

[Levitat0r]

I'm not entirely sure what this part of your post means. That part comes naturally since we're aware of our mortality, but faith is something we kind of develop and foster over time, if at all.

Faith can be challenging to a lot of people for a variety of different reasons (even just as a response to what life has handed them), so the weight and baggage behind both are very different. I'd say struggling with faith is possibly even harder than struggling with death, for some.

A very great many times, I asked people where their faith came from, and their attitude was like "If you're bad/dumb/resistant enough not to know, it's your fault". I think the most charitable interpretation of that is that not everybody perceives the same things, and just like some of us will go "duh" about technical things, others will go "duh" about faith things, and there you have an impasse, because they are "smart" about different things. I think the entire concept of having autism, not being aware that you have it, and being at a total loss as to people's reasons for things; that's an illustration of that.

A less charitable interpretation is that a lot of the people who have faith have it in something evil, or they are lying entirely, but they're discovering that you're vulnerable because you don't believe yet.

 

[thejuice]

A very great many times, I asked people where their faith came from, and their attitude was like "If you're bad/dumb/resistant enough not to know, it's your fault"

I feel that's a little defensive, maybe it's a sign of the times. "I don't know" are the hardest words for most people to say on just about any subject. They will get hostile just to avoid admitting it. We hate ambiguity, or feeling insecure.

You're point about spirituality coming more naturally to neuro-typical people I agree with. To them, of course there is a connection to something deeper. To some autists, who struggle to connect to anyone, who might have a lack of purpose, it might be the exact opposite feeling.

 

[Levitat0r]

I feel that's a little defensive, maybe it's a sign of the times. "I don't know" are the hardest words for most people to say, on just about any subject, and they will get hostile just to avoid admitting it. We hate ambiguity, or feeling insecure.

I can see a number of possible reasons. But, as I said, it's clear that people perceive very different things. Other people perceive things about each other which we are blind to, having autism, and they wind up proceeding on intuitions we don't have and can't imagine. I've spent most of my life relying on reason and logic precisely because I never had much intuition. But, then if you had a lot of intuition, you might be a big artist or composer, and know God by feelings or senses you can't describe, or can't even conceive of someone else lacking, just like I'd feel totally lost without logic.

 

[jsilver256]

My childhood church was complicit in covering up molestation of my friends by one of its elders.(thankfully I was spared.) That played a key role in my being an atheist for so long. And I see similarly shaped views of many atheists as well. Over time it’s easy to see anti-faith as the hammer which nails everything wrong with society.

 

[Levitat0r]

My childhood church was complicit in covering up molestation of my friends by one of its elders.(thankfully I was spared.) That played a key role in my being an atheist for so long. And I see similarly shaped views of many atheists as well. Over time it’s easy to see anti-faith as the hammer which nails everything wrong with society.

There are allegations, criticisms and faults in absolutely everything. The bottom line is that I looked for God, and I could not find him, so I was only ever going to see the faults in religion, because I couldn't find the purpose of religion. I did ask, both God, and the people around me. I have attempted to explain the reason for that, and people scoff at it because they think they are saints and that bad things only happen to others because they deserve it.

What it comes down to is; you need to ask God why he is the one who chose not to answer. When I ask him myself, the answer I get is; "did you feel like being crucified in kindergarten? It sucked at the ripe old age of thirty, didn't it? Well, that's why I was your anonymous contributor until you were grown." The bottom line is that murder is not just about putting holes in a body. Murder is about forcing people to live underwater, where they can't breathe, and then when God decides he's the one who can't stand it anymore, he will dive to bring you an oxygen tank, but now you're alive enough to realize you're being strangled and they are all a bunch of airless zombies.

 

[Levitat0r]

Yes, let's boil it down to the simple and big ideas. Murder isn't about killing the body. Murder is where you are oppressing someone so much that faith will not take hold on them because the consequences would be so bad as to be meaningless. There is no growth or meaning if the only thing you know is death, and that is what you would get surrounded by evil people, preaching God from birth. They would wreck you, and your life would be a meaningless noise of pure suffering, which is why God puts diversity of all kinds into life, including a period where you are an agnostic no matter how hard you try; because people are evil, and they would kill you. In the sense that they are depriving you of a relationship with God, they still are killing you regardless.

 

[Levitat0r]

You know what's startling to me? I thought 30 sounded familiar, so I went to look to see when the ministry of Jesus began. You know when? Thirty. Why is that? Do you remember Herod genocided children to prevent his birth? This is normal behavior for God, because man's normal is detestable evil.

 

[velociraptor]

You're point about spirituality coming more naturally to neuro-typical people I agree with. To them, of course there is a connection to something deeper. To some autists, who struggle to connect to anyone, who might have a lack of purpose, it might be the exact opposite feeling.

I connect to real people just fine. I don't connect to imaginary beings at all and I don't understand the need to. I really wish there was a way to hide the religious area from the new posts feed.

 

[thejuice]

I connect to real people just fine. I don't connect to imaginary beings at all and I don't understand the need to. I really wish there was a way to hide the religious area from the new posts feed.

some autists

 

[Rachie]

I think here you can you forget you're even discussing about religion sometimes which is meant to be a controversial topic lol. It is like neutralised here like you're with kin and just sharing with them. Religion and politics are controversial issues in the real world. We may be a bit nieve at times on here a bubble as such. For me the politics is blocked from my sight.

 

[dadko20]

For me it's not religion anyway, is more interesting than that, i understand
people don't have faith.

But why i should be ashamed of positive comments made about my faith.
For me it's an important part of my life.

Funny because you can talk about suicide, sexual stuff, some other depraved stuff maybe, alcohol and drugs.

I think this society, is more than becoming secular, is even becoming a bit 'satanic'.

i am the follower of abraham and thats all i need and my life has less suffering in it because of that. ofcourse i still suffer from time to time when i am afflicted by healht issue so but its under control so im happy

 

[Levitat0r]

I connect to real people just fine. I don't connect to imaginary beings at all and I don't understand the need to. I really wish there was a way to hide the religious area from the new posts feed.

Well, facial expressions and body language are real, and just because you can't perceive them very much doesn't mean they don't exist.