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Possible New Autism Subtypes
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Does that study include ASD1s, or is it just 2s & 3s?
It always seemed to me that autism spectrum is very likely not one condition, but many with a similar set of features, presentation. Especially "Asperger's syndrome", a syndrome doesn't have an identifiable, well understood cause, but is a set of symptoms instead.
I think Asperger's should be considered a separate condition altogether and not be associated with autism. ADHD and Fragile-X also share a lot of symptoms with autism yet those two conditions aren't on the spectrum, and I feel that Asperger's is just as similar/different to autism as what ADHD and Fragile-X are.
Autism should be what its original nature is, which includes speech delays in childhood or throughout life. I don't know why us articulate and highly social Aspies need to be considered autistic too. The autism spectrum is becoming so broad now that almost everyone with any slight difference or mental health issues or PTSD are getting themselves diagnosed with autism. And for something that people are born with, it's more common to be diagnosed with autism in adulthood than childhood, and I'm not just talking about people who were born in the "before autism was a thing" era.
And please don't anybody take this the wrong way, but it seems painfully common for people diagnosed with autism to come from a family of bullies and narcissists and abusers. Is this a coincidence, or is there some sort of connection? Do some adults from these abusive families just have PTSD but got themselves assessed for autism because PTSD looks similar to autism, or are their families narcissists and abusive because the person has autism? If it's the former, no I'm not dismissing anybody's diagnosis who are in that situation, so please spare the jumping to conclusions that I'm out to offend you because I'm NOT, I'm just a little confused and sharing my thoughts. And if it's the latter, then wow, that's shocking. If NTs had so much empathy then why would they severely abuse a young family member who is a bit different? I mean, classmates or work colleagues or even partners being bullies is one thing (not that that's acceptable, I'm just saying), but your own family? It's disgusting and very shocking. Why is it so common among the autistic community to come from such shockingly abusive families? It makes me feel so sad.
Autism should be what its original nature is, which includes speech delays in childhood or throughout life. I don't know why us articulate and highly social Aspies need to be considered autistic too. The autism spectrum is becoming so broad now that almost everyone with any slight difference or mental health issues or PTSD are getting themselves diagnosed with autism. And for something that people are born with, it's more common to be diagnosed with autism in adulthood than childhood, and I'm not just talking about people who were born in the "before autism was a thing" era.
And please don't anybody take this the wrong way, but it seems painfully common for people diagnosed with autism to come from a family of bullies and narcissists and abusers. Is this a coincidence, or is there some sort of connection? Do some adults from these abusive families just have PTSD but got themselves assessed for autism because PTSD looks similar to autism, or are their families narcissists and abusive because the person has autism? If it's the former, no I'm not dismissing anybody's diagnosis who are in that situation, so please spare the jumping to conclusions that I'm out to offend you because I'm NOT, I'm just a little confused and sharing my thoughts. And if it's the latter, then wow, that's shocking. If NTs had so much empathy then why would they severely abuse a young family member who is a bit different? I mean, classmates or work colleagues or even partners being bullies is one thing (not that that's acceptable, I'm just saying), but your own family? It's disgusting and very shocking. Why is it so common among the autistic community to come from such shockingly abusive families? It makes me feel so sad.
Unfortunately, the article does not define the four subtypes except in very general terms.
I think it’s clear to most of us that there are differing subsets of autism. This is an effort to pair actual physical characteristics in the brain with autistic symptoms.
I am imagining the kind of revolution in the science of autism that happened in the classification of fungi after the discovery and application of DNA studies showed fungi who looked similar were suddenly shown to be wildly different.
It doesn't seem to specify but it sounds like the first two might parallel largely with level 1 perhaps.
Yes, I don't think the studies have advanced very far yet but these separations could be in the future.
I tried to access the original article here: Molecular and network-level mechanisms explaining individual differences in autism spectrum disorder - Nature Neuroscience However, it's one of those that doesn't have public access unless you want to pay for the article $39.95. Oh well.
However, if anyone does want to take that deep dive, Google Scholar has over 17,000 articles on this very topic since 2021! So, happy hunting.
Google Scholar
However, if anyone does want to take that deep dive, Google Scholar has over 17,000 articles on this very topic since 2021! So, happy hunting.
Google Scholar
The trauma question has caused me to question before myself. Especially since many of my symptoms formed over time ( some not present until I was in my mid to upper 20s ) as traumas accumulated. But I did walk on my toes when I was little and had some obsessive interests and was also really good at school ( especially loving science). I also had the dilated eyes symptom and certain foods that I had trouble eating. Another childhood symptom would have been separation anxiety (a common comorbidity). I was always hyperactive (not sitting still in my seat and such) but that sounds more like adhd ( which I also have). Repetitive stims formed gradually over time ( some only present in adulthood yet definitely hard to not do them now). The most notable of these would be rocking. I agree that aspergers should have stayed separate ( even if perhaps renamed). Eye contact issues formed later in childhood as well. First as a form of submission because of how my dad would rage. Later they became worse as he started getting paranoid that I might know who someone was that he did not (and especially paranoid that I would have a crush on someone that was real rather than just my fictional characters crushes). I would basically avoid making eye contact to avoid being in trouble. That particular issue has slacked off now some and as an adult I am trying to relearn eye contact but now seem to genuinely have difficulty understanding it's proper use. Speech delays are part of the criteria for classic autism yet verbal iq is often advanced in aspergers. Also I don't think the more severe stims like head banging are usually present in aspergers though I suppose I could be wrong about that part.
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I think both situations happen. People with ASD are likely more likely to be picked on to the point of developing PTSD or other trauma related disorders. There are probably also false positives when ASD is assumed due to ignoring trauma history in the individuals diagnostic process. In my own situation, I think that I probably did have mild Asperger's but developed extra symptoms due to trauma as the years progressed.
It is present. I don't have that one, but I know people who do, it's a self-harm type of thing.
I also didn't have speech delay, but I have very significant auditory processing issues, and I think I could have had the delay if I was neglected as a child. Some of my family members had speech delay and grew up to be perfectly well coping IT professionals and engineers. I think it's important to note that speech delay often results from APD. Temple Grandin describes it in her books.
Despite that, I have a high verbal IQ and know a few languages. Although I'm better at reading and writing, I have a few problems with hearing and speaking. It's not an intellectual problem, it's an accessibility problem.
I find it very hurtful to read when someone equates sensory issues and stims with intellectual disability.
In my ASD2 son's case, it was a perverse source of pleasure, not self-loathing.
It seemed to be more tied to his executive dysfunction.
Point taken. However I'm still mostly focused on a single issue of this article. Not about autism or potential subtypes, but rather all the potential dynamics to consider of "machine learning". Which in itself would seem another potential enigma in terms of artificial intelligence.
I wouldn't take anything for granted at the present time when it comes to whatever conclusions might be made through forms of artificial intelligence. Which could be interesting enough to aggressively pursue scientifically speaking, but with no guarantees.
"Machine learning is a field of study in artificial intelligence concerned with the development and study of statistical algorithms that can learn from data and generalize to unseen data, and thus perform tasks without explicit instructions. Advances in the field of deep learning have allowed neural networks to surpass many previous approaches in performance. ML finds application in many fields, including natural language processing, computer vision, speech recognition, email filtering, agriculture, and medicine."
It gets a little frustrating sometimes. I scored university level in reading and writing comprehension while only in 10th grade all while people often speculated about me having Aspergers Syndrome. This is not the only subject in which I scored at a university level; however, it is the subject most relavent to my point. Years later, as an adult, I was finally evaluated and the psychiatrist thinks that I have ASD. Since then some people treat me like I can't read or write. I have had a "professional " take paperwork away from me and fill it out herself while seemingly implying that I was too disabled to do it myself.
I've always had the impression that we live in a world that socially treats us primarily based on cursory first impressions. More a matter of how one appears and acts, in a very short amount of time. Which ultimately may put many of us on the spectrum at a disadvantage.
Making masking even more difficult, trying to figure out how we need to carry ourselves over brief, but often critical social interactions. To not only sound the part, but look it as well.
Otherwise I'm inclined to think how easily dismissed we can be. No matter how brilliant we may be "on paper". I can relate, particularly when it comes to job interviews. Somewhat like dating, it's a social ritual that seems very difficult to follow through on. But not one I can so easily choose to avoid in comparison.
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I didn't know separation anxiety was a common co-morbid in autism? I heard lacking separation anxiety being one of the first signs of autism (though not always necessarily autism).
My mum wasn't on the spectrum but had mental health issues like anxiety and depression, and I picked up on it at a very young age. She was a good parent, don't get me wrong, but she was a born worrier and very pessimistic, and I think I inherited her condition.
My mum wasn't on the spectrum but had mental health issues like anxiety and depression, and I picked up on it at a very young age. She was a good parent, don't get me wrong, but she was a born worrier and very pessimistic, and I think I inherited her condition.
Interviewing is certainly hard. I imagine dating would be too but even agreeing to go on a date will probably never happen in reality. When someone ever asks me out, the primary thought in my mind is that they are most likely going to get me in trouble with my Dad if he finds out that they even asked me so I promptly turn them down regardless of my opinion of the particular individual in question. Of course he also then complains that I am not married. 
Occasionally he will have someone that he encourages me to like (often a cousin on his side of the family). He also goes through phases of flirting at me himself if he catches an opportunity where no one else is around. 
Occasionally he will have someone that he encourages me to like (often a cousin on his side of the family). He also goes through phases of flirting at me himself if he catches an opportunity where no one else is around.
I don't know. I just know that I have developed a phobia around even being asked out and being asked out often leaves me feeling dirty while simultaneously having major fictional character crushes (from tv series). Sometimes he tries to immitate things about whatever fictional character I am currently obsessed with. It seems so gross. Sometimes I think he's jealous of me even though I'm his daughter. I can't truly speak for what goes through his mind. I only know how it comes across to me.I am confused. Why would your dad discourage you from dating reputable men...?
I want my children to be successful (in non-criminal pursuits).
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