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NJ Governor Signs "Rain Tax" Bill; Residents' Property Rates Rise "Based On The Weather"

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by AGXStarseed, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. AGXStarseed

    AGXStarseed Well-Known Member

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    (Not written by me. The following article was published on 21st March 2019. I first learned about this from a YouTube video, but since the YouTuber dropped a swear word during her talk (which are not allowed here on the forums), I've just gone for the links she provided)

    In what is one of the most corrupt and vile things to have ever happened to the American political system, residents of New Jersey will now be taxed when something 100% out of their control happens. New Jersey’s governor Phil Murphy signed 19 bills into law on Monday, one of which, was the so-called “rain tax.”

    Unfortunately, there were supporters of this tyrannical and wholly dictatorial law. Dubbed S-1073, supporters call it “flood defense,” and say it will serve as a long-needed tool to manage flooding and dirty runoff from rainwater. So there are actually human beings on earth who want others and themselves stolen from because it rains. There is nothing more disturbing that the current political path the United States is currently one. It’s downright horrifying, actually.

    Government is downright evil and shameless when it comes to taxation. These pillagers of the public just sit around all day thinking and dreaming of events and things to tax. – Judy Morris Report

    “Most importantly, it gives communities a way to access new resources in a fair and equitable manner, and invest in related benefits such as additional green space. We urge the governor to sign it,” said New Jersey Future’s Chris Sturm, who serves as the advocacy group’s managing director for policy and water, according to a report by Patch.

    Some have criticized the bill (albeit, now enough) saying that it would impose taxes “based on the weather” which is an unfair system of stealing the money of others. Obviously, if you have any heart at all. It also gives the government much more power and more authority to steal more money by expanding what’s already an overly unfair burden (all taxation is “unfair”) on New Jersey residents who were saddled with several new taxes in 2019.

    Assemblyman Christopher DePhillips has said the “rain-tax” bill permits local communities to tax “based on the weather,” and allows unlimited bonding and debt to be placed on the backs of property taxpayers. Not that bonding and debt aren’t already on the backs of the taxpayer, it is, but now New Jersey gets to carry the financial burden when it rains. “The last thing this state needs is more debt and another runaway tax. Especially one that taxes the weather” said DePhillips.

    The so-called soft socialism of western nations is just an illusion. Western nations are bankrupt, their economies are disintegrating before their very eyes and the promises of lifetime pensions, welfare and healthcare are nothing more than propaganda lies that voters willingly drink. In the end, they will have nothing and be much worse off. Such is the fate of a person who votes for the police powers of the state to steal from another to give them what they want but never earned.Judy Morris Report

    Source: NJ Governor Signs "Rain Tax" Bill; Residents' Property Rates Rise "Based On The Weather"

    Related Links:
    NJ taxes on the rise? 7 things residents are paying more for
    Tell the NJ Senate to vote 'YES' on S1073 | thewatershed.org
    http://nynjbaykeeper.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CSO-Brochure.pdf
    State Moves to Deal with Dirty Problem -- Raw Sewage in Waterways - NJ Spotlight
    N.J. families fail to get answers, or money, for sewer backups
    https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/S1500/1073_R2.PDF
    NJ - S1073
    New Jersey Lawmakers Are Trying to Tax the Rain | Brittany Hunter
    LETTER: 'Rain tax' creative, innovative way to tax state residents
    New Jersey residents face possible 'rain tax'
    Is New Jersey's Property Tax Rate Still The Highest In Nation?
    Legislative Pulse: Taxing Rain, and Everything Else In New Jersey
    NJ property taxes have doubled in 20 years; see how much they've gone up in your town
    https://nypost.com/2019/02/09/new-jersey-wants-to-tax-the-rain/
    No, NJ residents won't pay a 'rain tax.' But there may be fees to solve runoff problems
    https://www.nj.gov/dep/dsr/trends/surfacewater-physical.pdf
    https://www.jerseywaterworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NJ-CSOs-Fact-Sheet-UPDATED.pdf
     
  2. AloneNotLonely

    AloneNotLonely Active Member

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    Onion News Network?

    I think it's a joke. But I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't. The USA is a poverty infested hell-hole anyway, can't believe people keep living there with the nonsense world-wide tax and capital gains tax.

    You reap what you sow, people can whine all day about how unfair and terrible this is, but it's their own fault anyway for being good little sheep and continuing to live, work and pay taxes in countries with oppressive tax regimes.
     
  3. MeghanWithAnH

    MeghanWithAnH Active Member

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    There seem to be two different arguments being made here.
    1) A tax that changes based on the weather is unfair
    2) Taxes are inherently unfair and are stealing from the people

    Argument 1 is quite reasonable. People need to know what taxes they are going to pay and what factors affect their taxes, both for financial planning and for predicting whether the cost of a proposed tax is worth the benefits it will bring to society. When taxes are based on something random like weather, it makes it harder to plan individual finances and to monitor how responsible or irresponsible the government is being with the money it takes in. This does make it easier for corruption to go undetected.

    However, I fail to see the logic of argument 2. What is the alternative to having taxes? Should everything be privatized? Some things might become more efficient, but many things seem likely to become even more prone to corruption than they already are, and some people will be cut off from vital services. We simply can't do without things like the police, the education system, or the road system. Are we meant to earn those things before we can have them? That's hard for a 6 year old to do. Even if one made the argument that people should only get what they already earned or what their parents earned, who actually benefits from higher crime, a less educated population, and a less integrated transportation system? Meanwhile, the national debt keeps growing, and how else can it be paid other than taxes? The reason people continue to agree to pay taxes is that most people realize that there is no viable alternative that keeps society functioning. I'm open to suggestions because I hate paying taxes too, but I've yet to find one that doesn't cause more problems than it solves.
     
  4. Judge

    Judge Well-Known Member

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    "Creative revenue gathering". Certainly no joke, either.

    Something indicative of the Great Recession. No surprise, even timely perhaps, given that the economy has gone near full-circle, and can't remain prosperous for the wealthiest of the population indefinitely.

    Expect to see more of such revenue-gathering schemes in the coming years, whether preposterous or otherwise. Though I wouldn't expect it to flourish in politically red states.

    I still recall the "poison-pill" measure that California legislators put into effect over vehicle registration. That in the event of a collapse of state revenue, motor vehicle registration fees would have quadrupled. It was one of the major issues that candidate Arnold Schwarzeneggar opposed in his campaign for governor. A measure that came back to haunt the Democrats in that particular election cycle in a big way.

    Yet another ominous sign that our economy is slowing down, creating momentum and paving the way such for "creative revenue gathering" on behalf of politicians who think they can get away with such policies:

    Big banks might be throwing in the towel on mortgages
     
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