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Legal Issues & COVID-19

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by GadAbout, Mar 17, 2020.

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  1. GadAbout

    GadAbout Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised to find how much I miss social connection, more for my husband than for me. He's much more sociable than I am. So without a social outlet, he keeps telling me stories and jokes (that I don't appreciate) and I'm not sure how we will get thru the next 2-3 weeks, cooped up so much together.
     
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  2. Judge

    Judge Well-Known Member

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    Them: "Are you doing ok at social distancing?" :eek:
    Me: "I invented it." :cool:

    I've lived more or less in relative isolation since 2007.
     
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  3. Kirsty

    Kirsty ND

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    We’re all possibly going to end up homeless if we can’t pay our bills. Not everyone can work from home.
     
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    Kirsty ND

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    Can’t the government pay us all for not working? Don’t ask me where I heard this because I can’t remember, but apparently, it will happen in Denmark. (Not Coronavirus related) Sounds like a dream!
     
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    Mia Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    Check with your local government/municipality/area. They are in my province supplementing people's salaries and businesses who have been closed down by the virus.
     
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  6. Judge

    Judge Well-Known Member

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    In the US it would seem that government protections and compensation are still at the level of legislative proposals with nothing "etched in stone" quite yet. Though I do hope to see at least the utilities companies and such being forgiving about payment concerns at least for some duration of this event.

    Supposedly the White House and Treasury Dept are claiming that something will be formally announced later tonight perhaps. Whether such proposals impact the average citizen or only wealthy business owners I can't say.
     
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    They are here. Canada revenue has bumped the filing of taxes three months ahead past the April deadline. They have set up a fund for employees and employers closed down by the virus. Apparently $572.00 per week, after the government shutdown of non-essential services.

    That will likely occur in other countries in the next few weeks, that can afford to do so.
     
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  8. Judge

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    At this point I trust your leaders far more than our own. :oops:
     
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  10. KagamineLen

    KagamineLen Gay and autistic midlife weeb.

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    My boss wants me to work from home (all info is in a cloud, so that actually is possible). All restaurants, bars and movie theaters are closed, along with the lobbies of most banks. I am too paranoid to ride the bus anywhere, anyway. I do not want to get sick twice in a row.

    So, that leaves me with a hell of a lot of time to watch TV and play video games.

    I have decided to use some of this time to experiment in cooking food I never cooked before. I made pineapple chicken curry last night that turned out to not be bad at all.

    I am still (insert favorite expletive here) stir crazy, but looking at the local news has convinced me to stay safe at home. I am well stocked on food. I do not need beer or weed, so maybe a tolerance break on both of those things is not a bad idea. Spend a month or two without them to lower my tolerance, so it takes less to get me buzzed later on.

    I can always pull out my foam DDR mat for the PS2 to get some exercise. I think I may be the only American who still plays that on a regular basis.

    Anybody else exiled from society by the coronavirus?
     
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    Everyone in Spain, at the moment. If you go anywhere outside shopping or work (in the few instances where you can't work from home), you risk a fine or even jail time, so... :rolleyes:

    I spend my days experimenting in the kitchen, trying to braid my hair, reading, playing games, working on some projects I've been putting off, taking care of the little plants at home... There's a lot to do really but I miss my walks and still get anxious about not having work in a month or getting stuck in this country for a few months.

    It's fine, though, you can adapt.

    It seems like you're holding up alright at the moment. It's a good decision from your side that you stay safe at home and I'm glad you're taking care of yourself :). Make sure to make some other new foods, maybe some dumplings or sushi! :D
     
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    Hmmm, sort of.

    I live in a rural area, not a major urban zone, so stuff isnt overly strict here. There's not all that many idiots around to go out and do really stupid things. Restaurants are still shutting down, but plenty of stuff is open (if exceedingly careful about rules right now). Supermarkets specifically are fully open, though currently they close down during the night to sanitize (normally they'd be open 24-7).

    Traffic oddly hasnt really changed THAT much. Route #%(* is still the usual bloody stupid mess. Yes, that's what I call it. And the accursed train still passes by way too often and makes everyone wait.

    I still go out during the day, but for extremely specific purposes. 1. Get my fountain drink. Gas station always has very few people in there, and it's easy to A: avoid them, and B: not touch anything unnecessarily. And then number 2 is to hit up the supermarkets and see if I can find anything useful/important. As I'm not in the "risk bracket" and my immune system is unusually strong, it's better that I go do this than my father or stepmother. But it's not exactly a fun task. Even without the pandemic I end up at those blasted stores WAY too often. It DOES NOT help with the whole stir crazy aspect. Though, I can at least drive around randomly for the heck of it... but that's not too nice when it's so freaking cold out.

    Cant go visit my mom or grandma though, or go to, well, anywhere other than those specific places.

    We are at least very well stocked on everything. Though without that "paranoid buying" that most people are doing. The blasted toilet paper shelves wouldnt be empty if people would stop being panicky cattle.

    I will say though, this event makes me glad that the house is so bloody enormous. That cavern of a basement gives alot of room for dog-related playtime and my VR setup, which is getting alot of use right now.

    The number one thing I'm most annoyed about is that a particular event I'd been looking forward to for months is cancelled. I woulda been driving up to Milwaukee in 2 weeks if not for this whole mess. Bah. It is what it is, I guess.
     
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    oregano Jefferson: T -60days

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    To be honest, I had been thinking for a year or so that American consumption needs to be drastically curtailed, for the good of the planet as well as humans. I saw a NYT article online about college students holding "coronavirus parties" and defying bans on gathering, in Europe as well as the US. That sort of raging entitlement complex will eventually be the death of us all, including the planetary ecosystem, if it is not crushed.

    I hope that this crisis will force people to drastically cut back on their consumption and live more sustainable lives. I certainly am still holding out for my Jefferson move, where I can live off the land. In my dreams, the young abandon the cities and live as farmers and tradesmen in small towns after the virus. Life slows down and people are more concerned with growing food instead of social games.

    It would be something like the postapocalyptic America in the "Chronicles of The One" trilogy of novels, where abandoned cities are left to rot and people live as farmers after "The Doom" kills half of humanity. And if others won't do it, I will do it for myself. If empty supermarkets and pharmacies don't convince the young especially to return to the land, they cannot be saved, so I will save myself.

    A lasting ration system would go a long way towards adjusting people's expectations of life. Yell COMMUNISM!!!! all you want, but it is either that or mass death from starvation.
     
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    We are well-stocked with food now. As I've made a trip to the grocery store today.

    Entire areas of the local store had things missing:

    Bread, bagels, green onions, sausages, butter, margarine, some types of milk.
    All the bleach, disinfectant and antibacterial hand washes and gels were gone.

    The roads had few cars moving. Quiet, like the summer holidays.
     
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    Whew, the governor of Nevada just added casinos to the list. Makes perfectly good sense in terms of social distancing, but the potential loss of income in the long haul could be staggering. Where any proposed federal stimulus measures may well fall short.

    But if you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly!

    Whoa...Kansas is shutting down their public school system to the end of the year?

    Kansas orders all K-12 schools to close for the rest of the school year
     
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    I don't care if I catch the coronavirus or not although I admit I'd rather not catch it. I don't care enough to stockpile toilet paper.

    What I am afraid of is the isolation. I live alone and have always felt alone, but have been able to find situations (usually at bars) where I can talk to people even if it doesn't establish any meaningful friendship. If measures are taken to where restaurants/bars close, I don't know how I'll cope if I can't interact with people.

    I just don't want to lose my mind if this continues and I don't see the pandemic easing up any time soon. I was coming out of my shell and preferred bar (which I treat as a second home in addition to treating the staff there like my family) and meeting and talking to people outside of the bar. I've made a few "somewhere-between-acquaintance-and-friend" connections and was even taking initiative and asking someone I'm potentially interested in to hang out. Then, Coronavirus became worse in my area and there's few opportunities to interact with people anymore.

    I don't think I can go back to isolation and keep my sanity. Especially an isolation that is exacerbated by this pandemic. Social distancing will come at great cost for the mentally ill including myself.

    It's a fear of loneliness, a fear of being trapped, and I broke down in tears for the first time tonight since Coronavirus became something that people started worrying about.

    EDIT/PS: Even my university has decided to move all classes to online for the rest of the semester, thus depriving me of another way of basic human interaction.
     
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    BeachLife 40's woman newly diagnosed

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    So sorry to hear you are struggling so much. I'm sorry if I came across as stereotyping the neurodiversity community that was not my intention.
    I was trying to focus on positive aspects of our community, and stress that I Diddn't mean isolation us necessarily 'easy' for us.. but perhaps 'easier'....or even , like just speaking for myself that I can go longer being alone (and actually need more alone time) than my NT friends . I was thinking maybe we had some good perspectives to offer people in this difficult time.
    I totally relate to what you said about bars...I'm a really social person too most people never pick me as AS as I don't fit the false stereotype, but just need more alone down time than most. Sending you a big warm etheric hug from Aus :)
     
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    So, I've been locked up at home, in my pajamas, ever since I had to join the panic buying on Monday. Sure enough, 24 hours after I went grocery shopping, Sacramento County announced a mass quarantine, and every single grocery store in the county was immediately stripped bare.

    I have known on an intellectual level that this day would eventually come, the day when the markets would be bare, when the cities would be cordoned off and turn into de facto gulags, when leaving your house would be illegal unless you could show a cop (or soldier) hard proof of your immediate, essential need to be outside. I've been preparing for this for years, that's what the land is for after all. But it still came as a shock when it actually arrived.

    I'm not one of those X'er yuppies who ignored the multiple red flags over the years and had kids that they now can't support and mortgages that they now can't pay and cars that will be repossessed soon thus making their situation worse. I do have savings, I have made headway (I expect the price of land to soar this summer), I was steadily working towards self-reliance. But the end came before I was totally ready.

    At least the $2000 economic stimulus checks that Trump (of all people) wants now will be put in my savings and hopefully I will be up living on my land when the second wave of the plague arrives in the fall and martial law is declared and a formal rationing system is set up.

    I am learning exactly how much food I need to eat per day and per week, and how to stay completely isolated for long periods of time. I always thought on some level that I could go for a drive if I got bored. That is illegal now, so it's an adjustment.

    At least there is no panic in my future residence area-people up in Jefferson have always been self-reliant, they don't panic like city folk do.

    So I have a big tabletop shortwave radio on my bench being repaired and readied for listening to survivalist ham radio "nets" since my main transceiver isn't set up for long term listening, and besides that really isn't what a transceiver is for anyway. I have transistor radios for KCBS and KFBK, as long as they remain broadcasting.

    The world went from boomtown to zombie apocalypse literally overnight. No warning signs, nothing, just suddenly everybody was dying of a plague and the superrich were fleeing-even THEY were caught off guard. I always thought that there would be signs and indicators that the knowledgeable would see, and I studied revolutions and collapses of the past. But this was a true "black swan event", it was totally unforeseen by anybody, a couple weeks from life to death, from 3% to 23% unemployment, from economic boom to 100% shutdown, from people earning steady pay to everybody being totally broke.

    The big regret of the prepper is not having prepped enough, no matter how hard you tried.
     
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