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Featured is it OK to quote Hitler on your FB?

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Aspergers_Aspie, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Aspergers_Aspie

    Aspergers_Aspie Active Member

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    is it OK to quote Hitler on your Facebook?
     
  2. Wolf Prince

    Wolf Prince My future job title.

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    Depends. Is it for a historical reference?
     
  3. Streetwise

    Streetwise very cautious contributor V.I.P Member

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    If the admin is an anti-Semite it’s probably fine if the rest of the group are anti-Semites it’s definitely fine There are certain amounts of neo-Nazi groups that still haven’t been shut down
     
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    tree Blue/Green Staff Member V.I.P Member

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    Do you mean does Facebook allow it?

    Or do you mean what will your Facebook friends say, if you do?

    There is an area for finding quotes on Facebook.
    Facebook quotes
     
  5. Bolletje

    Bolletje Potato chip wizard V.I.P Member

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    Depends on the context.
     
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    Judge Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    Perhaps it's best to have your thread moved to the politics section first.

    Can you? Should you? Technically it's a complex matter. You also have to take into consideration how differently various legal jurisdictions (particularly in Europe) may respond relative to their own perception of free and/or hate speech when it comes to the subject of National Socialism.

    Only days ago CEO Mark Zuckerberg reiterated his intention not to apply censorship regarding politics to Facebook. Conversely he received an open letter by his own employees citing that false claims of a political nature reflects a threat to Facebook. Otherwise it's probable to expect some "spirited" feedback depending on what is quoted and why.

    Dissent Erupts at Facebook Over Hands-Off Stance on Political Ads

    For Americans, we can cite such things conditionally without legal retribution in accordance with landmark constitutional case law:

    "Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

    Brandenburg v. Ohio

    In the meantime presently much of Congress seems to support imposing such censorship on Facebook, while the president supports Zuckerberg's position on this matter. However the "law of the land" is still just that.
     
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  7. GrownupGirl

    GrownupGirl Tempermental Artist

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    Fakebook still allows people to post their insane and moronic opinions about anti-vaccinations, Flat Earth, sharenting, climate change denial, sexism and racism. So why would it have a problem about anyone quoting Hitler, especially in a positive way?
     
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  8. Judge

    Judge Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    Openly endorsing even the most positive intentions of a political or social majority still reflects political bias.

    A real problem if and when the intention of online administrators is to project a sense of neutrality amidst a socially and politically broad audience. A primary consideration in why Twitter has elected to ban ALL formal political advertising. Though it certainly won't stop legitimate individual posters and covert state actors from informally doing the same thing.

    Leaving the private sector to have the resources to police aspects of free speech which frankly seems to be the job of the public sector's Department of Justice. An enormous argument at the present relative to American law.

    Meanwhile private domains continue to legally make their own terms and conditions largely relative to the proprietary concept of "no shoes, no shirt, no service". Stressing that Internet domains are private property with very limited conditions regardless of constitutional perceptions of free speech.

    It all make for one ugly and complex "tug-of-war" in a legal sense that transcends many boundaries. :eek:
     
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    tducey Well-Known Member

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    I would'nt. Hitler's one of the worst people to ever walk the face of the earth. Quoting him is a bad idea IMO.
     
  10. Nervous Rex

    Nervous Rex High-functioning autistic V.I.P Member

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    I wouldn't. It's too volatile. Bringing Hitler up will evoke extreme reactions from both sides of the sanity aisle. Even if the purpose of the quote is to show an example of bad behavior or bad thinking, there will be someone who takes it wrong.
     
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    Tom Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    No.
     
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    Judge Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    Yet another aspect of the equation. That with anything that is so inherently volatile, that people are more capable of misunderstanding what is said, apart from the nature of it all. Those emotional "hair-trigger" responses.

    Where the incentive to maintain that sense of neutrality becomes paramount with administrators.

    It's why I can understand "Godwin's Law", though personally I refuse to universally apply it.

    Godwin's law - Wikipedia
     
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  13. Nervous Rex

    Nervous Rex High-functioning autistic V.I.P Member

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    That is so true. With "Hair-trigger" topics, people are more likely to go off without reading the whole statement, attempting to understand nuances, etc. It's one reason I hate talking politics. Unfortunately, "politics" covers more and more topics today.
     
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    Nervous Rex High-functioning autistic V.I.P Member

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    Also, Godwin's Law may be of use.

    That Wikipedia page mentions that there is a general tradition on the internet that whoever makes a Hitler comparison first, loses the debate.
     
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  15. Judge

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    On the surface it almost makes sense.

    However it's a flawed perspective considering that even in the 21st century we still live in a world where on occasion genocide occurs and the use of the "big lie" continues. Not on the scale of the Third Reich, but the intent is still there.

    With the latest in "ethnic cleansing" occurring in Syria with the Kurds now being targeted for elimination as a people by the Turks. Reflecting an old agenda with Turkey...as is their war with ethnic Armenians.
     
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  16. Autistamatic

    Autistamatic He's just this guy, you know? V.I.P Member

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    It's been relevant in 2 of the videos I've made recently to mention Hans Asperger's past and the allegations about his complicity in the eugenics efforts of the German regime during his time. I don't even mention the name of that regime because it's still very upsetting to people.

    It's not so much a question of "is it OK" because no matter how many people say "yes" there will be a majority who feel otherwise and will make their feelings known to you. Whatever pearls of wisdom may have been said by the man, they are drowned out to irrelevance by the unspeakable acts he set in motion and the atrocities carried out in his name.
     
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    Judge Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    Good point. Especially relevant to discussions of autism.

    The dichotomy between erroneously comparing personalities like Dr. Asperger to Oskar Schindler, and to historically understand the relationship between National Socialism and medical doctors of the Third Reich. With no apparent way to historically verify beyond a reasonable doubt Dr. Aspergers's participation in his research was done with humane consideration and intent outside laws and political agendas that existed to the contrary.

    Was he a hero or a villain? If that's ever even ascertained, it probably won't be in my lifetime.

    Small wonder Dr. Asperger's name has been effectively swept under a rug by the DSM-V.
     
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    Fridgemagnetman I only have one V.I.P Member

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    Wasnt keen on Hitler.

    I always preferred his sister.
     
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    I don't believe, it is okay to. Another service user at the drop in centre has a quote on his FB but facebook haven't removed it.
     
  20. Aspergers_Aspie

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    I am anti-nazi