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Incapable Of Dating

KevinMao133

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This is a topic I been trying to keep wraps for a every long time and still don’t feel uncomfortable revealing

Do I lack emotional awareness? Am I not as intelligent as I thought?

As I start to ask those difficult questions, self doubt starts creeping in

I know I’m very capable and a very good person when I’m myself, when I’m relaxed but the public perception combined with ableism is slowly eroding my mind

I’m socially awkward, don’t like interacting with others. I also don’t like to put myself out there. Selling my soul is something I refuse to do

Prolonged isolation doesn’t help my mental health but I can’t really connect with others

It’s easy to befriend someone but it’s hard to be intimate

I don’t think I have the capacity of going on dates, or maybe I’m selling myself short
 
If you're making friends, then you're way ahead of me. I have gone a decade at a time without making any lasting friends. Attraction is a very mysterious thing. Dudes are expected to be rugged, assertive, confident, and athletic. However, there are all sorts of people in the world who are looking for every kind of partner, in theory. I'm not sure how to narrow that down. From a faith perspective, I feel like I'm in that place where, as epic nerd Rivers Cuomo said "The world has turned and left me". I'm directed to look for underprivileged people to relate to, like the poor, and especially the disabled, and I felt a lot of inspiration pursing the latter, and I only wish the relationship had lasted.

I think it would be amazing to meet some massively nerdy girl, to put up with me, and to take care of and look after her. But, as you say, it's difficult.
 
If you're making friends, then you're way ahead of me. I have gone a decade at a time without making any lasting friends. Attraction is a very mysterious thing. Dudes are expected to be rugged, assertive, confident, and athletic. However, there are all sorts of people in the world who are looking for every kind of partner, in theory. I'm not sure how to narrow that down. From a faith perspective, I feel like I'm in that place where, as epic nerd Rivers Cuomo said "The world has turned and left me". I'm directed to look for underprivileged people to relate to, like the poor, and especially the disabled, and I felt a lot of inspiration pursing the latter, and I only wish the relationship had lasted.

I think it would be amazing to meet some massively nerdy girl, to put up with me, and to take care of and look after her. But, as you say, it's difficult.

Man that’s my wish too

If a girl love me for who I am, I can feel it. I am typically affectionate towards those who are genuine. I only act defensive when I believe the intention isn’t genuine, they are pretending to be nice so they can get near me
 
What are the real-life data points to support this inability to date? How many dates have you gone on? How did they go badly?
 
I lack self confidence which seems like a prerequisite for love, and I have an aura of 'I don't want to be hurt by people', so I guess that makes me look cold and disinterested to the opposite sex. Perhaps your social persona is as limited as mine?
 
From a faith perspective, I feel like I'm in that place where, as epic nerd Rivers Cuomo said "The world has turned and left me".

This is a pretty appropriate song for this thread. It talks about holding onto ideas of love and dating and putting them onto people, when nothing has really changed. They come and go. Without saying it explicitly, he's talking about how making a person into a love object, and treating them as the whole world, has made him miserable. We can all have such fixed ideas of love which aren't so real, and decide we can or can't do things based on these false ideas. Our sense of love and how we should experience it may be what keeps us single, like the song seems to suggest.
 
Women dislike sexists and racists (as do men), and by reading things you wrote here on the forum, and those screenshots you sent (from that autistic organization which wanted you out because of things you said), I understand that you suffered from sexism and racism, but you yourself became the same as those people you dislike.
Would you want to be with sexist racist woman? I doubt so. You won't have healthy relationship with anyone like that, because first you need to fix those parts of you, and accept that you can't control and change other people, and only then it would be good for you to search for a girlfriend, who'll accept you the way you are.
 
This is a topic I been trying to keep wraps for a every long time and still don’t feel uncomfortable revealing

Do I lack emotional awareness? Am I not as intelligent as I thought?

As I start to ask those difficult questions, self doubt starts creeping in

I know I’m very capable and a very good person when I’m myself, when I’m relaxed but the public perception combined with ableism is slowly eroding my mind

I’m socially awkward, don’t like interacting with others. I also don’t like to put myself out there. Selling my soul is something I refuse to do

Prolonged isolation doesn’t help my mental health but I can’t really connect with others

It’s easy to befriend someone but it’s hard to be intimate

I don’t think I have the capacity of going on dates, or maybe I’m selling myself short
Just some data here regarding the struggles with dating in today's world. Certainly, an autism condition is a handicap here from a social and communication perspective, but even neurotypicals are suffering in this regard. Are 27% Of Young Men Really Virgins? (And Why) - Date Psychology.

1. There is a lot more social isolation now-a-days. It started with the advent of home computers, high-speed internet connections, smart phones and tablets. It started with "helicopter" and "bulldozer" parents hovering over their children, making "play dates", keeping their children close, and rarely letting them outdoors to play and ride their bikes to their friends houses, taking care of their every need without ever being a teacher and mentor to show them how to live independently. It started with software developers and advertisers knowingly designing their products to "keep users engaged" with dopamine-triggering elements. A lot of things happened with the level of fear, anxiety, disinformation, and divisiveness, when people began to interact through social media.
2. Many young people would rather engage, like this, behind a computer screen or text, rather than talking on the phone or face-to-face. Many are lacking some social awareness and skills in how to "read people". Go to a restaurant and watch the people at the table, eyes glued to their phones, and not on each other. Walk into any common area and look around, eyes glued to phones and not the people around them. Most young people have "lost it" or never learned proper social skills.
3. The modern feminism movement is neck deep in utter lies and misinformation spread amongst women, mainly on how they think men think. Men already know they don't know what women are thinking, however, so many of these feminists seem to have this idea that "men are so simple" that it's easy to understand them, and they are SO wrong. In fact, they are wrong almost always. Furthermore, marriage and even dating, to them, is a "business transaction". How much is he willing to spend on me? How much is he willing to give of himself to be with me? Narcissism at its best. At no point does it occur to them, in this scenario, they have no worth to a man. Furthermore, men are disposable. She can leave him any time she is unhappy, and then gets to take all of his stuff. Men see this and run away from women. The risks are too high dealing with this sort of mentality. Well, now a lot of these women are upset and can't figure out why they can't get any attention. You made your bed, now lie in it.


@KevinMao133, The reality is that dating and marriage should be a 1 + 1 = 3 equation. Both not only benefit, but it creates a situation where there is an additive effect. Giving equally on both sides. So, if you are single, you have to ask yourself the difficult questions, like "What do I bring to the relationship?", "What value do I have?", "What would a potential partner see in me that would attract them?" You can't go fishing without bait. Without it you aren't going to get a nibble. Then, you need to follow through and maintain your value to the relationship. Can you do that? I can say that after some 40 years, maintaining a relationship can be easy, but in no way is it passive.
 
You're not alone on such concerns. "Dating" to me is like playing a game where you don't really understand- or agree with its "rules or guidelines". Might as well be a game of "Hopscotch inside a minefield".

Overwhelming and utterly illogical. A "game" I choose not to play.

Always reminding me when I was at a friend's house and his teen-aged sister would always hear the phone ring, and charge down a flight of stairs to answer it. Yet when she'd get to the phone, she'd stand there and just let it ring several times before answering. :rolleyes:

My solution? I simply settled for friends of the opposite sex. And that every once in a while there was a possibility of the friendship blossoming into something more. With no guarantees. No urgency, no demands or expectations and no subterfuge. Allowing me a comfort level to be myself- no more and no less.
 
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This is a pretty appropriate song for this thread. It talks about holding onto ideas of love and dating and putting them onto people, when nothing has really changed. They come and go. Without saying it explicitly, he's talking about how making a person into a love object, and treating them as the whole world, has made him miserable. We can all have such fixed ideas of love which aren't so real, and decide we can or can't do things based on these false ideas. Our sense of love and how we should experience it may be what keeps us single, like the song seems to suggest.
I hadn't even thought about the romantic aspect of the song, since I haven't heard it in ages. I was more thinking about the feeling that the world has turned its back on him. And then from there, from a faith perspective, the direction is basically to love disadvantaged people because they are where love counts most. It's left implicit that "the world" is often just going to brush you off and take you for granted. Not, too implicit, though, since it's clear that spiritual growth divorces you from the world.
 
What are the real-life data points to support this inability to date? How many dates have you gone on? How did they go badly?
There has been no reason to date so far. If they don't have similar interests and a similar neurotype so we can geek out over the same topics together with equal or near equal enthusiasm, I see no reason to accept even a first date. My standard answer is "no" or something to that effect.
 
You're not alone on such concerns. "Dating" to me is like playing a game where you don't really understand- or agree with its "rules or guidelines".

Overwhelming and utterly illogical. A "game" I choose not to play.

Always reminding me when I was at a friend's house and his teen-aged sister would always hear the phone ring, and charge down a flight of stairs to answer it. Yet when she'd get to the phone, she'd stand there and just let it ring several times before answering. :rolleyes:

My solution? I simply settled for friends of the opposite sex. And that every once in a while there was a possibility of the friendship blossoming into something more. With no guarantees. No urgency, no demands or expectations and no subterfuge. Allowing me a comfort level to be myself- no more and no less.
This ultimately heads off in the right direction. I think it's clear that game-playing is not intimacy. However, if you can make friends, you're now on the right track.
 
There has been no reason to date so far. If they don't have similar interests and a similar neurotype so we can geek out over the same topics together with equal or near equal enthusiasm, I see no reason to accept even a first date. My standard answer is "no" or something to that effect.
I think considerations like "neurotype" are best avoided, but I understand where you're coming from. We can try to be idealistic and open-minded, but what we find is that the world puts us in a box with our "kind", and that's really unfortunate. I always point to other minorities who wind up publishing a niche magazine, and I remember being young and clueless and being like "why do you need your own space"? Well, I have more than enough experience to know that there are forces dedicated to pushing you out of society like a splinter or an irritant.
 
There has been no reason to date so far. If they don't have similar interests and a similar neurotype so we can geek out over the same topics together with equal or near equal enthusiasm, I see no reason to accept even a first date. My standard answer is "no" or something to that effect.

Quite logical, yet I am compelled to ask if this is the most common consideration in establishing a stable and long-lasting relationship with someone? I ask as I had only five lengthy and brief relationships with NT women. Four I regarded as good friends who became lovers. All of my relationships ultimately failed.

In each and every case I actually had very little in common with any of them. Where the only thing I could emphasize was a sense of "nebulous chemistry" between them and myself.

Were these relationships doomed under such circumstances? It's just weird to realize that other than mutual attraction, what we had in common was rather cursory. And that none of them nor myself was aware of my neurotype at the time.
 
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I think considerations like "neurotype" are best avoided, but I understand where you're coming from. We can try to be idealistic and open-minded, but what we find is that the world puts us in a box with our "kind", and that's really unfortunate. I always point to other minorities who wind up publishing a niche magazine, and I remember being young and clueless and being like "why do you need your own space"? Well, I have more than enough experience to know that there are forces dedicated to pushing you out of society like a splinter or an irritant.
I am not saying to not have a variety of personalities among your friends if possible. I was speaking of who to date (and just personal opinion and preference there.) I personally don't care to date anyone unless they reach best friends status first and we can enjoy many of the same things and mostly understand how each other's brains work. I don't care to date someone that I can't really relate to much at all. Be on friendly terms or even friends if they want sure but date no.
 
I am not saying to not have a variety of personalities among your friends if possible. I was speaking of who to date (and just personal opinion and preference there.) I personally don't care to date anyone unless they reach best friends status first and we can enjoy many of the same things and mostly understand how each other's brains work. I don't care to date someone that I can't really relate to much at all. Be on friendly terms or even friends if they want sure but date no.
Well, I think my point is that we would like to live in a world where "neurotype" is not an issue, and when it comes to the specific individual in question, it really shouldn't be. However, when we're trying to narrow the field knowing we don't want to be 300 years old when we finally meet someone compatible, I think we have to contemplate in what groups we stand the best chance, so that's why I want to get involved in autism communities.
 
Quite logical, yet I am compelled to ask if this is the most common consideration in establishing a stable and long-lasting relationship with someone? I ask as I had only five lengthy and brief relationships with NT women. Four I regarded as good friends who became lovers. All of my relationships ultimately failed.

In each and every case I actually had very little in common with any of them. Where the only thing I could emphasize was a sense of "nebulous chemistry" between them and myself.

Were these relationships doomed under such circumstances? It's just weird to realize that other than mutual attraction, what we had in common was rather cursory.
I don't know what is most common. I am no expert. I don't think I actually ever met any of my peers who hold my view but personally having similar interests seems like a better basis than more common basis such as money, appearance, or spur of moment emotions.
 
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I don't know what is most common. I am no expert. I don't think I actually ever met any of my peers who hold my view but personally it seems like a better basis than more common basis such as money, appearance, or spur of moment emotions.

About the only special interest I had in common with a few of my relationships was photography. Having met two of them in adult education photography classes. But clearly it was never enough to carry the relationship. Where chemistry seemed to drive things more, until it suddenly didn't.

By my late 40s I simply gave up on any notion of finding that person who would fill my heart with joy. And that was that....
 

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