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I'm NOT voting for president (or anyone else) permanently

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by oregano, May 20, 2020.

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  1. Judge

    Judge Well-Known Member

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    Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Not the electoral vote.

    Though in 2020, polls continue to show Biden ahead or tied in most of the more contentious states with a meaningful electoral vote.
     
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  2. Judge

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    Well, I don't know about the Bidens being legally investigated.

    But I do know that the Southern District of New York and the Manhattan District Attorney for New York have been working very hard on the Trump case. And thanks to the Supreme Court we're likely to hear what the truth is sooner rather than later.

    Due process of law is what counts. Not political smearing in an election cycle.
     
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    Whatever...

    I will not further engage you because it is only a waste of my time.
     
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    Whatever....
     
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    Agreed. Wise choice. ;)
     
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    Whatever...
     
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    Apparently not according to BLM when it comes to the Brionna Taylor case. They only will be satisfied when they get the results they want, regardless of facts.
     
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    I read an article recently about the polls say according to vegas odds makers. It is illegal to bet on elections I believe, but they probably know what they are talking about since they are in the business of estimating odds accurately. They say there is truth to there being many silent Trump supporters out there that polls do not capture. Maybe that is because the media and democrats in general make Trump supporters out to be these horrible, evil, or stupid people. The vegas odds makers put Trump ahead very slightly in the national level, and ahead in many of the toss up states. The article went on to explain other reasons why many of the polls are inaccurate. So don't go jumping to early conclusions there.
     
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    Well that's probably b/c the mainstream media generally does not run negative stories on members of the democratic party. They get a free pass.
     
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    You could say the same of one of any thousands of lobbyists on Capitol Hill too. However you can't consider the case closed given it's still being investigated by the FBI's civil rights division.

    Though I'd think the odds are against BLM in having that case resolved in their favor to the ends they demand. In any event I'm quite certain they'll continue to peacefully demonstrate on general principle no matter how this case is ultimately resolved. It's their constitutional right.

    And if Bill Barr tries to suppress an FBI report unfavorable to Kentucky, expect it to get leaked to the media. More cannon fodder for election purposes.
     
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    Fraud and corruption are criminal activities that are investigated by district and federal attorneys and adjudicated in a criminal court. Not any court of public opinion.

    - Due process of law. Not due process of media.

    Legal discovery and prosecution are all that counts. It's why Trump is being formally investigated by both the federal and state governments. But then these investigations were ongoing before Trump ever thought of running for president.

    The only "free passes" that really count come from the Department of Justice:

    DOJ drops investigations into 3 senators’ stock trades

    Or not:

    Is Senator Burr Guilty of Insider Trading under the STOCK Act? | New York Law Journal
     
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    um... arent you supposed to keep an open mind? a democrat might have some interesting viewpoints for you to consider. an open mind is critical in todays world. even my mind isnt totally open but im willing to hear out what conservatives have to offer in this world, because i still dont reliably know.
     
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    And the Biden's are being investigated by a Senate committee led by Senator Johnson. I'm not sure where it will go from here based on their findings, but my point is that much of the media did not pay any attention to this investigation or the results. My point was that the media conveniently chooses to ignore stories that could be harmful to the candidates they support. I am no fan of the court of public opinion. I think I've made that pretty clear based on my prior posts.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    I think he may be saying that he has heard most of democrat's arguments and viewpoints. Also, perhaps he is tired of democrats not listening to, dismissing, and discounting conservative viewpoints during the course of a discussion.
     
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    A senate investigation that doesn't result in turning over a case for due process to the DOJ amounts to merely political theater. Not to mention that any real attempted prosecution of the Bidens would be a waste of time given Trump's flagrant violations of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. And the questionable stock transactions certain Senators took at the outset of the pandemic. In the final analysis, this is just a bone to throw into an election cycle. No indictments, no prosecutions for much of anything related to potential conflict of interests in the Trump Era. But this shouldn't be a surprise.

    Looks like in most cases the mere accusation of conflict of interests is something prosecutors no longer care about. Except perhaps in the case of Senator Richard Barr (R). His case is ongoing within the DOJ while they conveniently dropped investigations on Senators Loeffler (R), Inhofe (R) and Feinstein (D). Hmmmmmm. Though towards the end of the election cycle it wouldn't surprise me if the investigation of Richard Barr is suddenly terminated as well.

    Yet local media didn't hesitate to bring up their own Senator Feinstein in that mess. But it wasn't the media that gave her a free pass. It was the DOJ.

    Feinstein denies wrongdoing in stock sale before coronavirus outbreak
     
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    My point is the mass media overwhelmingly favors Democrats and their reporting is clearly a reflection of their bias. Much of America is able to see that. Actually, its hard for me to believe that some people can't see that.

    Anyway, talk to you in November.
     
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    To me it's not a question of whether such bias exists, but rather in the final analysis does it really matter?

    It's no surprise that more journalists would be fundamentally sympathetic to those espousing freedom of speech and the press than those who ideologically seem prone to suppressing information. That doesn't need explaining. Yet if Democrats are so powerful in terms of media bias, why is it that our body politic has continuously swayed every four to eight years to one party or the other? A trend that hasn't changed since 1945. So just how truly influential is that same media? Ultimately what the voters decide is not always in the best interest of the media whatever their pundits espouse. Americans vote on their own...not necessarily in line with television pundits. Just like all those Democrats who said "NO" to Bernie Sanders twice in four years. So much for all that left-wing bias that voted for moderation.

    And consider that most media operations are publicly traded corporations. Where the only real practice being espoused is capitalism. Whatever it takes to promote and retain shareholders and generate revenue. The rest is just a marketing gimmick to attract a larger audience share and bolster their bottom line. Where bias is really just another form of sensationalism. Whether to attract reactionaries or progressives- or both. I used to get a kick out of hearing a frustrated Liberal Democrat from Tennessee who could never stop complaining about Fox News. I suggested she simply turn it off and she replied, "I can't. I'm like a moth to a flame and I know it."

    Small wonder Fox News has been on the top of the broadcast news pyramid since around 2002. But then bias is their business- no differently than CNN or MSNBC. What binds all of them together in a common cause? Profit, corporate sponsors and shareholders' equity. Bias is just a revenue-gathering device for most media. One that first and foremost quietly promotes capitalism. Something neither major party opposes.

    If y'all could only see how biased Capitol Hill is. Where you're likely to trip over lobbyists with money bulging out of their pockets. And you're worried about only media bias influencing voters and policy? Really?

    "Always the dollars. Always the dollars." - Joe Pesci, "Casino"
     
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    that is possible, yeah....
     
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