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I'm losing my wife

WeirdoGuy

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Hi,

I have Asperger's and my weirdness in uncomfortable situations has created so many issues that my wife seems ready to leave me. Picture as an outside observer the following: a man talking to a woman in a bar that he knows, not near his wife, not calling his wife over, and not introducing his wife. Picture: A man sending a package to some woman without his wife's knowledge. Picture: A man being invited to a gathering via facebook messenger from a girl to whom he was attracted. The man's friends are also invited and keep asking if he is going. He keeps responding with wishy washy answers like "Maybe", "I have to see", "I don't know" and "I'm not really sure." Picture: A man goes to a bar during a vacation. The next day, someone else at the bar mentions a drunk girl. The man acts weird. When questioned by the wife of why the drunk girl isn't mentioned, the immediate answer is "I don't know." After repeated questioning, the man states that the drunk girl was flirting.

This all sounds pretty bad, and I am the man in all of these situations. My weird uncomfortable reactions make it seem like something is up.

Talking to the woman in the bar was a situation where I have seen her plenty of times at my friend's house. But there were always a lot of people there (over 20). My memory is good, but I couldn't remember her name other than that it started with a "V." I felt like I had encountered her too many times to say that I forgot her name, and too many times to not say hello. I also internally freaked out and felt I could not introduce my wife without knowing her name. So my reaction makes it seem to everyone else looking like something is going on with me and this woman.

With the package, I am looking through facebook and see a kid's birthday party with a chess theme. Chessboard birthday cake, chess piece decorations, kids playing chess against each other, etc. As a huge chess fanatic, I had older chess books and videos that were beneath my playing strength. I thought I would send them to this little boy. The mother of the little boy is someone with whom I went to Junior High School, and I wrote to her on facebook and said I can mail these books and videos to her son. I did this and didn't think to tell my wife. A few days later, my phone gets a notification from facebook messenger. It is a message thanking me for the books. My wife asks who it is, I realize I didn't tell her about it, I get uncomfortable for no reason, and then tell her about the package I sent.

With the gathering, I knew right away that I wasn't going to go. But I have always avoided confrontation with things like that by saying "I don't know" and waiting for it to be over, even though I knew I wasn't going. But how does this look? It looks like I had thoughts about going to meet someone that I used to find attractive.

At the bar on vacation, the drunk girl was talking to the guy in our tour group the whole night. When he brought it up the next day in front of his wife, I was taken aback. It seemed weird to my wife. When she kept questioning me, I was so uncomfortable that I had to make the questioning stop. I confessed to something that wasn't true knowing that it would stop the questioning. This wasn't the first time in my life I've done that. I confessed to breaking walkie talkies that I didn't break, and I confessed to breaking a CD player that I didn't break. Questions that seem like an interrogation are so uncomfortable for me, that I would rather take the blame than keep getting questioned.

These four things already look bad. But there was now something else that I should and do feel really bad about. About a month ago, my friend had a bachelor party in Philadelphia. We were going to go to a strip club. Unfortunately, one of my friends really pushed for private strippers to come over instead. While I'm extremely uncomfortable in both situations, I'm more uncomfortable when strippers come over because they try to do things that cross the line. They came to a point where they had a "game" where they place food on themselves and you have to eat it off, including the breasts. They called me up. I told them that I'm married, and I can't put my mouth on her nipple because I consider that cheating. All of this I told my wife. What I didn't tell her initially was that because I refused, they said I had to be punished. They pulled down my jeans so that I'm in my underwear, and exposed the top half of my butt. Then they hit me with a belt twice on my butt. Having my butt exposed in front of naked strippers definitely crossed a line. And the fact that I was too uncomfortable to tell my wife makes it worse. I kept thinking about it, and dwelling on it. I kind of gave her a hint, but it is something that she had to pry out of me. Even then, I was being really weird and acting like I was just remembering. Now my wife can't trust me at all, has no respect for me, and thinks that our marriage is doomed.

Is there any way for me to fix my relationship? If there is some way to fix the relationship, is there a way to deal with uncomfortable situations in the future so that I don't act so weird and make it seem like something is up?
 
explain to her about autism !that you are not developed socially ,like a child who says something embarrassing ,you don't have an understanding of social boundaries.
you dislike confrontation so you keep silent until it's extremely uncomfortable! but like a child Who is very open you show kindness by gifts! it would be the same for somebody who wasn't autistic but wasn't socialised .
this is not about you wanting to be with another woman ,it's just trying to fit in when you don't understand the world . tell her the person who gave you this message is autistic and has never had a relationship with a man because it is too overwhelming , distressing
 
To be honest, these things do not sound bad at all (except that you confessed to something that wasn't true). Your wife, however, sounds very insecure.
 
You don't have to tell your wife everything, she's not your parent, or your keeper or your confessor. You are a free human being, with your own rights to do what you will. Whatever that might be. Many of the things you describe are not in themselves 'bad things' they are the way normal society acts.

When you do things, you do them because you want to, like sending the books to an old friends child. Or, you seem to sometimes do things because you are pushed or cajoled into them by people who don't have your best interests in mind. The people who strapped you with a belt at a party, are not your friends, avoid them forever if you can't say no to them.

Your wife can obviously trust you but seems to be blaming you for some behaviors and traits that are associated with autism. All of this, the things you explain are connected to autism, traits and characteristics. If your marriage is in difficulty, it's because your wife doesn't understand autism and needs to desperately. If she's passing judgement on your behaviour, which is not her right, then she needs to do some work on understanding autism. She has no right to be your judge, let her look at herself and consider that without the control she has over you, she would have little power over another individual.

Your going to have to work at getting her to loosen the apron strings, and stop attempting to control your every thought and action. This is not good for you, to worry so much about things that you've done that aren't in themselves terrible things. They seem like usual things that people do on an everyday basis. It's time for you to get some books on autism, to read them and give them to your wife to read.
 
Thank you for the replies. I know that a better understanding of how my brain works could help with the first four situations. Unfortunately, I have explained my thoughts in those instances, and it feels to her like I keep making excuses.

But having my bare backside whipped with a belt by strippers definitely crossed a line. Also, me not telling her about it made it worse. I don't know what to do about that. Are there any neurotypicals willing to tell me if they could see a solution? I need to fix this, but I don't know how to gain my wife's trust back.
 
Thank you for the replies. I know that a better understanding of how my brain works could help with the first four situations. Unfortunately, I have explained my thoughts in those instances, and it feels to her like I keep making excuses.

But having my bare backside whipped with a belt by strippers definitely crossed a line. Also, me not telling her about it made it worse. I don't know what to do about that. Are there any neurotypicals willing to tell me if they could see a solution? I need to fix this, but I don't know how to gain my wife's trust back.
ask @LucyPurrs she was a social worker and is neuro typical.
 
Hi there and first of all, very much welcome to this amazing forum, that is nothing like any other forum.

As for your situation, you seem to be a bit like me ie you think in absolutes, which means that you do not see a way around an issue and thus, in effect put up your hands in defeat.

Does your wife know about aspergers? If she does, but does not get it, show her some websites that explain how it manifests itself.

It seems to me, that if you have a habit of doing this and have been married for some years, then is it at all possible that how you believe she thinks regarding you is mostly in your head? Or has she actually said she cannot cope anymore?

Why not write her a note in a situaton that you would normally feel very uncomfortable being? Say: excuse me for a moment and get it written and pass it to her. Or prearrange with her that is what you are going to do.

Can your wife act as your advocate when it comes to you being offered to go places that no married man should go to? Even though it will make her look bad, they ie your so called friends, must know what is up with you and I wonder if they take advantage of that?

In truth though, if you actually lie to your wife about something, yet you know you are not guilty; that suggests that you know she will argue the point and so, you just let her think you are guilty, because it is easier than having a row with her?
 
Thank you for your response. I know it is not in my head. My wife has explicitly stated that she cannot trust me anymore, has no more respect for me, and is already mourning our relationship. I know that I can sometimes magnify things in my own head, but this is not one of those instances. I really am about to lose my wife and I have no idea how to fix it. The incident at the bachelor party is the worst one, because that can't even be explained away with my disorder. It is just crossing a line that should not have been crossed. You do make a valid point though about my friends knowing me and maybe taking advantage of that. If I do manage to salvage my marriage, I know that at the very least I need to avoid any similar gatherings.
 
Thank you for the replies. I know that a better understanding of how my brain works could help with the first four situations. Unfortunately, I have explained my thoughts in those instances, and it feels to her like I keep making excuses.

If she thinks those are excuses, then she is not taking your ASD seriously, because your behaviours in these various situations seems perfectly normal and explicable to me. Been there, done that, over and over. Being an aspie makes your brain work differently, so to understand you, she has to be prepared to understand how those differences manifest themselves. Is she prepared to understand? If she is, try and explain your actions again in the context of what was happening in your head, not just what you did. Buy some books on autism that detail how it works and how our neurology creates the challenges we face that are so easily misinterpreted by others. Bring her here, sign her up and let her ask us questions, and let her read how we discuss the things we have to deal with. I'm an aspie, and in the short time I have been a member here, I have learnt an astonishing amount about how autism functions and why, so this could be an invaluable resource to you both.

One way or another though, you have a right to be heard, to have your explanations laid out for her, but be aware that if in the past you have confessed to things you didn't do when being pressured by constant questioning, you may back down if questioned the same way by her. This isn't uncommon either, when the stresses and pressure of questioning built incessantly - confession is the only way to make it stop.

But having my bare backside whipped with a belt by strippers definitely crossed a line. Also, me not telling her about it made it worse. I don't know what to do about that. Are there any neurotypicals willing to tell me if they could see a solution? I need to fix this, but I don't know how to gain my wife's trust back.

It is a line that you didn't cross. This was not your choice, you didn't instigate it and you didn't want it. Your description of the event sounds like your friends set you up, and made you the fall guy for a laugh. If you are guilty of anything, it's a poor choice of friends.

Not telling your wife about it immediately? Hardly a surprise really, you were made to feel used and demeaned, who wants to admit that if they don't need to. Since you did nothing wrong, there was no reason to discuss this.

In a broader sense, your wife seems a little judgmental to say the least. She has every right to be upset when you do something wrong, but you didn't, and the only way she has to avoid acknowledging that is to deny you have Asperger's and that having it makes a difference.
 
Well, agree with most of the posters above. I hope you never again confess to something you didn't do- that is being so very unfair to yourself. Agree that your wife needs to lean a whole lot more about ASD and how they manifest.
Do you think she's be willing to read this thread? Maybe that would be helpful. It's clear that you have remorse even though you were in some ways a victim of your friends bad behavior. But maybe if she reads this she'll hear how much you want to salvage your marriage then you can go from there by letting her know that you are accepting responsibility and will try to make positive changes re who you hang out with.
If this works , I'd stay really close to her in any social gatherings so you don't get trapped again unwittingly.
 
I hope you never again confess to something you didn't do- that is being so very unfair to yourself.

When I was young, my brother used to get me into trouble with acts of petty vandalism around the house and tell my mother that I had done it. Because he was normal and seemingly nice, and I was difficult, incommunicative and unpredictable, she believed him, not me, and would demand I admit to what I'd done. I'd shake my head and she would get in my face, increasingly angry, asking why I had done it.

Due to the frustration of being accused of something I hadn't done, and the steeply rising stress of the anger being pushed into my face, I always confessed I'd done it because it was the only thing I could do to stop it. I reasoned that if I was being accused and found guilty anyway, getting this awfulness to stop by confessing was worth it.

According to police reports in the UK, these false confessions are a common consequence of aggressive and threatening questioning techniques, and while being doubted, questioned and implicitly accused by a partner you trust and rely on doesn't necessarily rise to the quality of police questioning, that fracturing of trust in the relationship can't help but magnify the persistence of doubt and questioning until it begins to rise to the same quality of stress and frustration, particularly if there is perceived anger in the confrontation too - and make no mistake, being questioned like this is a confrontation of the kind many of us aren't likely to handle well.

And it isn't just a child thing. Years later I was stopped by the British Transport Police and accused of traveling without a ticket, pretending to be a British Rail worker. After 30 minutes I confessed, it was true. It wasn't true, I was a British Rail worker, traveling while actually on duty on a travel pass. The questioning was so aggressive, I began to believe them. What stands out in my memory from this is not that I confessed, because it was all I could do to keep my sanity, it was that even though I had told them who I worked for and what my job was, they were so sure I was guilty of something they never even checked.

The OP's wife sounds, to me at least, a little like those BTP officers - so certain of the answer, thus not asking the right question.
 
You are beating yourself up too much. You need to speak to her. If she doesn’t understand she has some issues but needs help for those.
 
Thank you for the replies. I know that a better understanding of how my brain works could help with the first four situations. Unfortunately, I have explained my thoughts in those instances, and it feels to her like I keep making excuses.

But having my bare backside whipped with a belt by strippers definitely crossed a line. Also, me not telling her about it made it worse. I don't know what to do about that. Are there any neurotypicals willing to tell me if they could see a solution? I need to fix this, but I don't know how to gain my wife's trust back.

I'm in a similar situation. I've been through Hell about things like this. It's hard to put into words and actions.

1. You're making it worse than it is.
It's likely so. Try relaxing a bit. However, don't FORGET it. There's something there. You need to do something about it.

2. She thinks you're making excuses.
This is because you're explaining yourself. Don't. She found out, or you told her. It doesn't matter how the knowledge came out. She's NOT interested in your feelings or that you can justify your actions. She wants to hear that you admit to doing it. End of story. You can make a genuine and heartfelt apology. Do the apology right away if things aren't heated, and if not, do it after you and her both cool down.

3. Thinking in absolutes.
This is something we Asperger people deal with. Maybe try this point of view: So what if your wife thinks you're an idiot. She's the closest one to you and loves you, so who better to know you and your faults?

4. Come backs
Following on to #2, we sometimes try to answer the wife's questions. Try not answering it sometimes. Let her rant and vent. You may have had a great answer. Who cares? Remember, she will take it as an excuse. So spend the time listening to the rant (don't take it literally what she rants about!) and really thinking about how she is feeling. Remember, even though you feel awful or felt awful... at the moment of the conversation with your wife, it's not your feelings that matter.
 
Sorry, but I’m taking the side of your wife in this one. It is a NIGHTMARE not to know if you can trust your husband or not. Everytime you hide something, she will trust you less and less until you guys end up like us, separated. Why on Earth don’t you speak honestly, with the truth? Why do you go to a bachelor party like that? Why do you have those friends? Why do you talk to a drunk girl that for sure only wants to flirt? Why don’t you set up your priorities straight? Is your wife a priority, or is it the drunk girl, and those “friends” that pulled your pants down? Why do you send chess books to a woman and don’t tell your wife, specially being those books something that you are very attached to?o_O

Of course you are losing her. If you are not brave enough to talk with the truth, you will lose her. And no, I don’t believe that you “forgot” to tell her all these things, that’s called avoiding confrontation or being a coward. Being an aspie does not mean you get a free pass at these things.

If you do not have anything to hide, anything to be ashamed of, talk with the truth. And if you are ashamed of your actions, talk with the truth and ask for forgiveness.

Put yourself in her shoes: imagine HER at the bar, talking with an attractive drunk stranger, imagine HER in a bachelor party with her friends making her show her butt to a male stranger, imagine her with the mark of a belt in her butt and not telling you what was that... imagine HER sharing something precious to her to a man and not telling you... How does that make you feel? Loved? Not exactly, right?
 
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Everybody makes mistakes. We hurt people unintentionally. But we have to ask for forgiveness and make amendments, otherwise, what’s left is resentment.
The fact is that you hurt her, and you have to own it. It doesn’t matter that you didn’t do it on purpose.
 
I'm really starting to see why I chose a life of
freedom of choice...Aspie/Asexual
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...But, I do wish the best for those who chose differently.
 
Sorry, but I’m taking the side of your wife in this one. It is a NIGHTMARE not to know if you can trust your husband or not. Everytime you hide something, she will trust you less and less until you guys end up like us, separated. Why on Earth don’t you speak honestly, with the truth? Why do you go to a bachelor party like that? Why do you have those friends? Why do you talk to a drunk girl that for sure only wants to flirt? Why don’t you set up your priorities straight? Is your wife a priority, or is it the drunk girl, and those “friends” that pulled your pants down? Why do you send chess books to a woman and don’t tell your wife, specially being those books something that you are very attached to?o_O

Of course you are losing her. If you are not brave enough to talk with the truth, you will lose her. And no, I don’t believe that you “forgot” to tell her all these things, that’s called avoiding confrontation or being a coward. Being an aspie does not mean you get a free pass at these things.

If you do not have anything to hide, anything to be ashamed of, talk with the truth. And if you are ashamed of your actions, talk with the truth and ask for forgiveness.

Put yourself in her shoes: imagine HER at the bar, talking with an attractive drunk stranger, imagine HER in a bachelor party with her friends making her show her butt to a male stranger, imagine her with the mark of a belt in her butt and not telling you what was that... imagine HER sharing something precious to her to a man and not telling you... How does that make you feel? Loved? Not exactly, right?

Thank you for responding and seeing it from her side. I tried to start it off showing it from her perspective, so that people could see her situation. I see that a lot of the responses here, being from others on the autism spectrum, are not able to see it from the other side. Someone that sees how bad this is, and how it looks to her is what I need. I have tried thinking about the situations in reverse, and seeing how it looks like you said. The one thing I need to know is can I ever make this right? Is there any way to move forward? Since you can see it from her side, I want to know what to do from here.
 
Thank you for responding and seeing it from her side. I tried to start it off showing it from her perspective, so that people could see her situation. I see that a lot of the responses here, being from others on the autism spectrum, are not able to see it from the other side. Someone that sees how bad this is, and how it looks to her is what I need. I have tried thinking about the situations in reverse, and seeing how it looks like you said. The one thing I need to know is can I ever make this right? Is there any way to move forward? Since you can see it from her side, I want to know what to do from here.

Be honest.
Say youre gullible in social situations
Tell the truth
Tell her you'd rather drop your friends than lose her.

But decide for yourself.
 

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