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I just came through hurricane Helene

RemyZee

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No power. 85 degrees out. I could hear trees popping when it passed through, and the roof was ripped off a neighbor' house. It is so hot and I believe there are several days to go before electricity comes back on. I've experienced fires when living in the foothills. A massive tornado and now a hurricane and cannot for the life of me understand how people can deny climate change! It's disgusting that people blame these catastrophes on God--we created it and may it not too late.
 
What area do you live in? I have cousins along the Gulf Coast that I've been waiting to hear from.
 
I live in the mid-west. So I couldn't imagine how bad it gets to be hit directly or indirectly by a hurricane fresh off the gulf or any body of water.

cannot for the life of me understand how people can deny climate change! It's disgusting that people blame these catastrophes on God--we created it and may it not too late.

Yes. Climate change is a thing. But not in the way you are implying.

The Earth does change it's climates naturally and gradually. Humanity has little, to no, influence on that what so ever. And any recorded highs or lows. Any extreme weather phenomenon. Any kinda weather that maybe even 'out of the usual' for an area. I'm sure there were plenty of unrecorded cases for ages. So to assume it only is JUST Now happening in this century, and/or in past centuries, that have had documented cases. Is an assine assertion.

The only way humanity can truly affect the climate of the planet, is to engage in Nuclear War.
 
Well, carbon dioxide emissions are still recognized as one of the factors. But what do the people actively studying it know, right? :D

A massive tornado and now a hurricane and cannot for the life of me understand how people can deny climate change! It's disgusting that people blame these catastrophes on God--we created it and may it not too late.

Unfortunately, people are going to keep on making up their own rules and ignoring the science. I think it's a coping mechanism, to be honest, because they don't like to think about how we all technically have a hand in it.

There are also some... powerful people perpetuating comfortable lies, to put it into forum-friendly terms.
 
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Just got power back today here in Clearwater.
The nights are so hot it's impossible to sleep without any way to cool down.
I ended up putting ice packs on my face and neck to get a little sleep.
No damage in the section I live in, but I'm not right on the water. That is pretty bad.
 
The earth has warmed and cooled for eons, but in the known records of humanity there hasn't been this crazy weather. They call it "global warming" but during, say, the Medieval Warm Period the weather wasn't this bonkers. We know that the great Indigenous civilizations of what is now the Southwest US were destroyed by drought during the MWP, but in the records of Europeans from that time there simply is no mention of the wild storms that happen there now. I think that it's possible that humans added ICBM fuel to a naturally occurring warm cycle and goaded it into these weather extremes. The gigantic fires of the Western US are definitely due to mismanagement by European colonizers, fire in the West was typically smaller and cleared out undergrowth while sparing mature trees. A century of fire suppression by colonizers created the conditions for the forest killing fires today.

I can't imagine having to go through hurricane after hurricane and then having to live through Deep Southern humid heat with no AC for weeks afterwards. At some point the govt is gonna have to step in and forbid rebuilding. One person the news talked to had just had their new roof finished after a hurricane a couple years ago then Helene ripped it off again.
 
I live in the mid-west. So I couldn't imagine how bad it gets to be hit directly or indirectly by a hurricane fresh off the gulf or any body of water.

Yes. Climate change is a thing. But not in the way you are implying.

The Earth does change it's climates naturally and gradually. Humanity has little, to no, influence on that what so ever. And any recorded highs or lows. Any extreme weather phenomenon. Any kinda weather that maybe even 'out of the usual' for an area. I'm sure there were plenty of unrecorded cases for ages. So to assume it only is JUST Now happening in this century, and/or in past centuries, that have had documented cases. Is an assine assertion.

The only way humanity can truly affect the climate of the planet, is to engage in Nuclear War.

Regardless of climate activity, 2024 has been one of the quieter hurricane seasons. Presumably related to the unexplained mid-summer collapse of Atlantic temperatures.

Given a nightmare hurricane season was strongly forecasted at the beginning of summer, I think the simplest answer is that meteorology forecasting currently lacks predictive power. Attempts to make it unfalsifiable by attributing all possible outcomes to it (low hurricane activity / cooling waters is caused by climate change, high hurricane activity is caused by climate change) isn't the correct approach to building consensus.
 
Looks pretty terrible over at the western part of North Carolina. I can't imagine having to deal with that. I've had my share of bad flooding here in eastern Kentucky back in 2022 and let me tell you, I hope I don't have to deal with being trapped in high water ever again.

Hope you get your power back on even if it's gonna take a while. We got some nasty winds when the hurricane came through, but thankfully, my area turned out fine besides some power outages (still got power at my house even after the storm came through).
 
Just got power back today here in Clearwater.
The nights are so hot it's impossible to sleep without any way to cool down.
I ended up putting ice packs on my face and neck to get a little sleep.
No damage in the section I live in, but I'm not right on the water. That is pretty bad.
Good to hear your power is back--we still haven't and luckily there are cooling stations nearby
 
Looks pretty terrible over at the western part of North Carolina. I can't imagine having to deal with that. I've had my share of bad flooding here in eastern Kentucky back in 2022 and let me tell you, I hope I don't have to deal with being trapped in high water ever again.

Hope you get your power back on even if it's gonna take a while. We got some nasty winds when the hurricane came through, but thankfully, my area turned out fine besides some power outages (still got power at my house even after the storm came through).

My little sister is surrounded by hurricane flood waters in western North Carolina right now. It's the second time in two years that she has been flooded.

My husband and I got so tired of having power outages where we live near the Gulf of Mexico that we spent $$$$$ to install a whole-house generator and a 500-gallon propane tank in the yard. The public electricity grid can fail and we still have power to run everything in our house. It's a life changer for us old people.
 
On my block, somebody lost the roof, we drove around and saw other damaged homes. This is my third hurricane l have lived thru. Everyone of them is as scary as the one before it. l was outside, and could feel a very intense wind slamming thru. It was frightening. The flooding was just outrageous that people had to endure. It's playing the lottery, it's just you don't want to be in the path of it. l had a hurricane lift up my carport roof in September, in December, a tornado blew thru and moved my carport roof back down again.
 
Regardless of climate activity, 2024 has been one of the quieter hurricane seasons. Presumably related to the unexplained mid-summer collapse of Atlantic temperatures.

Given a nightmare hurricane season was strongly forecasted at the beginning of summer, I think the simplest answer is that meteorology forecasting currently lacks predictive power. Attempts to make it unfalsifiable by attributing all possible outcomes to it (low hurricane activity / cooling waters is caused by climate change, high hurricane activity is caused by climate change) isn't the correct approach to building consensus.

I will agree that, even with current advancements. The capability to predict accuracy, is still largely in the air. Though I have doubts will ever have the capability to fully predict everything with garenteed accuracy.

Though this also has me thinking about the Super El Nino event in the Bering Sea too. More in regards of the fact of extreme scenarios involving multiple systems back to back.

I also recognize there is more to the functionality of weather development, beyond climate alone. Nature, like our own brains, still holds many secrets that ebb and flow in various ways.
 
Have post hurricane conditions gotten any better for you?
 
The aftermath of that storm seemed pretty grim, and over such a wide area.

So much flooding inland and storm surge damage along the coastline.

Though with the frequency of such disasters, I'm getting increasingly confused about the culprit. Mother Nature, or the insurers who continue to leave the market where they are most needed? And raising premiums to levels most property owners cannot afford is not the answer.

Communities often suffer from gentrification, but imagine entire states...
 
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The water got deep in our yard during it but not near as bad as some of the other locations that I have seen covered in the news. I drank coffee on the front porch while the sheets of rain fell and the wind blew the water around. Eventually went in when the porch started getting too soaked.
 
I don't know if i believe in climate change, the 'tops' are saying now we need to eat bugs to avoid having cows fart that make the 30 percent of harmful emissions, i mean this sounds nuts, cows were designed to be with us, these people are not more wiser than God.
 
Have post hurricane conditions gotten any better for you?
Still the power and connectivity outages. Looking at the outage map they are Everywhere, with no idea how long it will take to repair.
And it feels around 92 degrees. Luckily the water isn't out but I am thinking about people who are using oxygen. Or out in the sun. It's a mess and I am so pissed because people don't make the connection of climate and disasters and seem so surprised: "never seen anything like it before" people say but for decades we've been warned and I am as bad as anyone, but at least people can try.
 

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