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How do y'all feel about Donald Trump?

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Myles Mckinley Walker, May 28, 2019.

  1. Tesseract

    Tesseract Active Member

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    In order to vote in Australia, you first have to register. If you do not register to vote, no one will know, and no one will bother you about it.
     
  2. Joshua Aaron

    Joshua Aaron Just a Professional Weirdo w/Autism and ADHD

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    I'm part of Gen Z in the U.S., I believe that voting should be require, both presidential elections and midterms, and even for voting on both the introduction or removal of local (state/county/city) and federal laws. This is also a stereotype of millennials. Most young people hate feeling like they have a lack of choice in there lives. Considering that voting for something entails you effecting something politically by your choice, most do vote. I'm going to register to vote when I turn 18. Also, the lack of millenials voting probably just has to do to either getting there on time or just being a newer generation.
     
  3. Joshua Aaron

    Joshua Aaron Just a Professional Weirdo w/Autism and ADHD

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    So you are saying that Trump stereotyping innocent families trying to do whatever they can to survive is a good thing? Also, some N.A.T.O. states don't have the budget to spend a bunch on a military as large and powerful as the U.S. military? Also, he does not realize that telling China what to do is a very dangerous decision, and the Chinese government has most likely already deemed
    Trump may or may not have paid off a Russian hacker group to effect elections so that votes are exploited towards him. Black hat hackers can sometimes turn into digital hit men. Hit men require payment before carrying out any of their services. Trump has tons of money (which he does not deserve), so why wouldn't he use some of that to pay off hackers for his benefit. Heck, whenever he has been questioned about the scenario, he becomes defensive and clearly irritated.

    He attempted to ban trans people from joining the military.

    After Putin attempted to have a dissident assassinated on British soil with banned chemical weaponry and a group of 12 Russian hacker's interference with the 2016 election. However, instead of disowning and reprimanding Putin, Trump decided to side with Russia's president.

    Also, just because he hates only illegals and stereotypes them, it does not mean that he hates the ones who entered legally. Also, his policy to separate migrant children from their parents and other family members resulted in a ton of children to be depressed. He also completely forgot that he could just make entry into the country much easier and also free. He is blaming all illegal immigrants for the crimes of a crappy minority.

    He basically ruined net neutrality. Now Comcast is ripping people off.

    He said that he'd withdraw our armed forces from Afghanistan, which will cause the middle to be overran by Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorists. The presence of U.S. military is the only thing the both terrorist organizations and their burnt-out AKs fear.

    He is also pulling forces from Syria and Iraq, both of which STILL has up yo 30,000 or more ISIS fighters, which will cause the middle eastern countries to be consumed by terrorism once again. Oh, and Israel would have a more difficult time making sure nobody invades them. Since I know that Israel has committed war crimes despite U.S. based news being required to censor against such topics in the U.S., I don't even really care if Israel gets invaded or not.

    Source: Washington Post- The Ten Worst Things Trump Did in 2018
     
  4. Xerces Blue

    Xerces Blue Evil Overload

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    Comcast was already ripping people off and will continue to do so.
    As for the whole trade war thing, the US shouldn't have "outsourced" it's manufacturing to begin with (this only hurts the middle class and reduces the opportunities for the lower class to move upward) - anyone who plays any sort of strategy game or has taken an economics class(high school level when I learned this) can tell you that.
    As for Trump, while I don't like him as a person (I meet him briefly back in 2005 working as a delivery driver) My opinion of him as a leader is pretty good.
    He doesn't talk like a politician.
    What he says he's going to do happens.
    He hold people accountable for their actions.

    Everything he said he would do has either happened or he's tried to make happen.
    Love him or Hate him He's done a hell of a lot more than I've expected and If he says he'll do something I know what to expect - he's held north Korea and Russia to account more than any other politico in US history.
    I disagree on putting steam powered catapults on ford class carriers - they don't have the infrastructure for them and would require a lot of dry dock time to change this.
    But this is a layman's mistake for any trade - Not understanding everything involved in an application of technology.
     
  5. Julia40141

    Julia40141 New Member

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    I think that immigrants should be grateful and I definitely believe they should come here legally, I hope I diden't offend anyone :(
     
  6. AloneNotLonely

    AloneNotLonely Well-Known Member

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    Uhhhh... How would going into massive debt (Personal, corporate and government) without outsourcing manufacturing work? When you are going heavy on the holy trinity of debt, where do the excess amount of goods and services that are being bought with this debt come from? It has to come from somewhere, it's not coming from the USA itself because... it's in debt! So it has to, by definition, come from outside. China gave you guys stuff, in excess for the promise to pay dollars in the future. You can't magically wish goods and services out of nowhere by promising yourself the money later, you have to find a third party willing to give you the stuff in advance.

    Being rich and familiar with business there is no way Trump doesn't know this. But the dumb voters don't know this, so he just does what his base wants to stay in office. He is more of a politician than you think he is. It's just a charade. Same with the wall. It's pretty obvious it won't do a thing to solve the immigration issues, because the actual legal system of immigration causing this massive influx of migrants (both legal and illegal) hasn't been changed.

    Clearly you haven't been to a good high school, don't worry. None of them are good. What you have been taught is Marxist economics. Marxists aren't big fans of international trade. The lowering of wages is due to mass migration. Importing goods that are cheaper actually improves the living standard because... stuff becomes cheaper. It doesn't affect wages, at all. Industries that are moved abroad make room for more (higher paid) jobs because the economy changes from one based on production to one based on services.

    Basic economics. More goods, same people = cheaper goods. More people, same goods = more expensive goods. More people, same jobs = lower wages. This is why more complex services and products are increasing in value, while the wages of simple jobs that those people that are being imported can actually do are plummeting. Did the purchasing power of Anesthesiologists go down? No. Because the people coming to your country are not Anesthesiologists. However, those people coming to your country do need healthcare, surgery, and shiny iphones. So all of that increases in price, and the jobs they work have lowered wages.

    All of the western worlds troubles are self-inflicted, you can't blame China, Russia or whatever. It's your own fault.
     
  7. Xerces Blue

    Xerces Blue Evil Overload

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    wow you've jumped to some conclusions, I never said that international trade was bad.
    I think that it's better to export more than you import though.
    And It doesn't make much sense to take your natural resources and export them for refinement and then buy back the refined product.
    For example I worked at a company that built shooting ranges and steel targets, we required a lot of AR550, AR500 and Mild steel.

    We purchased our steel from the Netherlands and other countries in the EU.
    My state used to have a steel refining company that was built with funds from the US government at the start of WWII - the Site/Company was chosen due to proximity to Iron, coal and limestone, it had the capability to convert coal into coke, it had blast furnaces and could also make fertilizers.

    They where pushed out of business by environmental laws and distance from the iron deposits shortly after I graduated from High School - Odd considering those deposits where within the state and along rail lines and the mines are still in business.

    Shipping iron ore overseas for refinement and then shipping the steel back overseas for processing into finished products doesn't make much sense as you're adding multiple 'middle man" operations to the production pipeline.

    Mine -> overland shipping to the port -> loading onto ship -> shipped overseas -> off-loading the ship -> overland shipping to the refinery -> Refinery work -> overland shipping to the port -> loading onto ship -> shipping overseas -> off-loading the ship -> shipping to the factory - shipping to distribution centers, stores or customers.
    12 to 14 steps

    As opposed to:

    Mine -> overland shipping to refinery -> Refinery work -> overland shipping to factory -> overland shipping to distribution centers, stores or customers.
    5 to 7 steps

    Increase both for addition sub-production.

    While each step increases world wide jobs every additional step also increases the costs of production -
    which is always passed on to the consumer - Reducing ones spending power.

    The exception is if the cost is absorbed in the costs of living of where the exported labor is done.
    In which the cost is really absorbed in Kilo-calories and flesh, rather than currency.

    For example we had a job in Egypt, The local welders worked barefoot, no gloves and without goggles or face-masks - so NO protective equipment at all.
    Instead of using a crane they would lift a forklift on the forks of another forklift - Very unsafe with very bad returns - ask any forklift operator about the load balance triangle.

    So who is the "humanitarian" the one's that push business to 3rd world countries without modernizing them - which would increase the costs to insolvency or the ones who let the costs of life and limb absorb the damage.

    While my own government "says" it has my best interests in mind, why should I advocate a model that benefits other governments that claim they have their citizen's best interests in mind more than it does my own.

    Any government that claims to pursue the best interests of people other than it's own citizens is not to be trusted - It's either lying or incompetent.
     
  8. AloneNotLonely

    AloneNotLonely Well-Known Member

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    Government doesn't pursue any interests other than it's own. I never stated anything regarding that, other than that it's all a big charade, Trump included.

    The government giveth, and the government taketh away. Why do you think it was built using USA government funding? Clearly not a very attractive business proposition. I don't know anything about this site other than what you've told me, and it already sounds less than perfect simply based on this little fact you mentioned.

    Who cares about what happens in other countries? They do it cheaper, that's all there is to know. I have never heard of what you described. It honestly sounds like a joke. So these people are stupid enough "Yo dawg I heard you liked forklifts so I put a forklift on a forklift so you can forklift a forklift"? And we are supposed to be concerned about that? If they are truly that stupid then I doubt we can save them, unless the USA funds some extremists, starts a civil war, and bans all marbles. Oh wait... they already did that. Except the banning of marbles.

    I don't have all the facts on this specific site. But it's more expensive to do it in the USA, because otherwise you'd have a whole bunch of super rich people lobbying to open the site back up and to sell it to them for a pittance. Mining is a horrible investment, and clearly people that are much richer than I am feel the same way. And this is even in countries with little to no environmental regulations.

    Maybe the site got closed because of outrageous hippies. Maybe the people living nearby got their water supply and ground poisoned due to mining activity. I don't know which is the case. Whatever the case may be, crazy nanny government destroying businesses or a sound choice to get the destructive business out of people's backyard, it's too expensive to do it in the USA.

    And you cannot, in any way, have more exports than imports with increasing debt across the board. It's impossible. The laws of reality as they are make it impossible. You can't get richer when you borrow everything you are "earning". You can call it that way, but it's inaccurate. All of this money will have to come from somewhere somehow. Right now it's the tariffs. Once those tariffs end, the consumers and businesses are going to be hit by a shitstorm of inflation the likes of you have never seen. So you better hope Trump figures out a deal with China that extracts the money he needs out of them, because it's either China or you that is going to pay for it. This isn't "Trump bad" story time, he genuinely needed to put some pressure on China, but not to "end the trade deficit". He needs to get concessions out of China regarding intellectual property. I have no clue what Trump's actual plan is, but ending the trade deficit would be a really bad idea.
     
  9. Khendra

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    I'm conservative, but I don't like him very much, and this view is more common among other conservatives I've known than the media might expect. I almost didn't vote in the 2016 election because I disagreed with much about how he and Hillary view and do things, both practically and on the conceptual platform. My parents were fond of him, but not me. He lacks tact and consistent morality. He does have some strengths with business/economy, but even those are often done through bullying methods. In short, I voted for him VERY reluctantly in 2016, and I don't plan on voting for him again in 2020, or voting for any of the Democrat candidates. I think I will do what I did in 2008 and find a third party candidate whose views align more closely with mine, and go with that candidate even if they have no chance to win. Principle sometimes must override pragmatism.
     
  10. Xerces Blue

    Xerces Blue Evil Overload

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    @Khendra I agree with you in many of the points you mentioned.
    As person I don't like him. I meet him back in 2005 - I didn't talk to him directly but I didn't like how he treated his assistant (she got the lunch order wrong) - not sure why this stuck with me so much, but I suspect that to me it didn't seem like something worth getting upset about.
    I do like his Tactics though - he gets his opposition all worked up over something superficial and then does what he actually intends - Political slight of hand if you will.
    Every time he does it I find myself laughing.
     
  11. Wolf Prince

    Wolf Prince My future job title.

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    So i cant vote due to personal issues. But i have some thoughts on this. Back in 2016 when he announced his run. I thought it was a joke. Though to be honest i felt like no Republican that ran had a chance of beating Hillary. Who i really did not want in office after Obama. At the time i felt like the country was about to collapse into civil war. A war i would have to fight in. Just to survive. If Hillary had been elected that would have happened. And Bernie Sanders is no better. Socialism is a nation killer. It takes from everyone and gives nothing in return. Your told one way to think and believe cross the line and you will regret it. Were already seeing that happen in many places. So in 2016 it was Trump, Hilary, or Sanders. Trump was the only unknown. As it turns he made a dang good president. No i don't agree with everything he does. But i perfer him to all the crazy socialists. Constantly telling us were bad people in a bad country. The election i worry about a is after Trumps second term is up. Because the Republicans still dont really have anyone else to run after him. Fyi im not happy with either parties leaders in congress or the Senate. The border is a problem they both profit from and dont want to fiz. As for Trump himself. God Bless you.
     
  12. Xerces Blue

    Xerces Blue Evil Overload

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    ah Socialism a seductive trap. "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
    More like "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" a common sentiment in socialist countries

    Think it's a good idea consider:
    -National Socialist German Workers' Party
    -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the various eastern european countries post WWII
    -Peaple's Republic of China
    -Partido Comunista de Cuba
    -The Workers' Party of North Korea
    -Khmer Rouge

    Yeah that's well over 100 million deaths in 100 years due to starvation and mass murder ("Social Engineering").

    If you want to experience the closest thing to a socialist environment according to the idealistic definition join the military as an enlisted soldier.
    As my recruiter told me "the Military is not for everybody, You get out of it what you put in. If you're not willing to work hard it won't be worth it."

    All the "Free" this or that or "Reparations" that is all vote buying bull.
    Equality of outcome is oppression and a pipe dream.
     
  13. AloneNotLonely

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    Except the military actually pays you.

    Not that I wouldn't say the military is the worst career choice possible. Still better than socialism.
     
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  14. Xerces Blue

    Xerces Blue Evil Overload

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    Agreed, Also you can go off base and experience the good stuff (when you're not deployed anyway)
    A lot easier than having to cross borders or get it smuggled in.