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Healthcare - How Can You Afford It?

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Book Reader, Feb 10, 2019.

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  1. Book Reader

    Book Reader Active Member

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    So how do you afford healthcare? Most if lucky have HSA accounts and insurance does not kick in until you have spent 5K? No coverage any longer for any psychological or counseling.

    I am sure many stopped taking meds as a visit to the doctor to renew even if a general GP would cost $100.

    How do people cope?
     
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    disconnected Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    My work covers my insurance
     
  3. NothingToSeeHere

    NothingToSeeHere Asexuowl V.I.P Member

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    By living in the UK
     
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  4. Book Reader

    Book Reader Active Member

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    US insurance now is crap. No mental health coverage. Heath coverage HSA. Great if you hardly see doctors. But if you do you are screwed. I never go. No colonoscopy. I am 56. Would rather die first. Just let nature take its course.
     
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    Live in Canada.
     
  6. Book Reader

    Book Reader Active Member

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    Yes, Canada. I have heard good things about socialized medicine. I don't care about what doctors I see. Just affordable. Seems to be a problem in the US now. Sad.
     
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    Autistamatic He's just this guy, you know? V.I.P Member

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    Everyone should have an equal right to medicine and healthcare. That is the principle upon which Aneurin Bevan and his compatriots founded the UK NHS, which conservatives not only tried to prevent, but have tried to dismantle ever since. Healthcare is a right, not an earned privilege.
     
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    Crossbreed Neur-D Missionary ☝

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    In the USA, some Medicaid programs have sliding scale options, depending on he state.
     
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    Lucky to live in Australia. We have socialised medicine and we can choose to see any GP you like. All my bills are fully or partially subsidized. Without this I could not get the treatment that I need. I have heard some real horror stories about the USA medical system. Also heard some Americans tell absolute lies about other countries socialised medical programs.
     
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    Joel's Hear Chicklen Duck Kwale

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    What Americans are telling absolute lies about other countries socialized medical programs?
     
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    Americans being told that you won't be able to choose your doctor under a socialised medical system. In Australia this is not the case.
     
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    Joel's Hear Chicklen Duck Kwale

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    I still don't understand. Are Americans being told they won't be able to choose their doctor under a socialized medical system, or is it an American telling lies about other countries socialized medical programs?
     
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    Americans are being told (by other Americans) that people in countries with socialised medical programs can not choose their doctor. We can. And if we don't like the doctor we can change doctors. We have the same freedom of choice as Americans just not the exorbitant price tag.
     
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    The choice of a doctor would appear the least real concern of many Americans regarding a single-payer healthcare system when consider the most basic objections on a massive political and ideological level.

    First and foremost one must consider that the Republican Party fundamentally opposes this concept. The same party that presently controls the Senate and the Executive branches. Beyond that there is a basic legal consideration at the level of our highest courts. One with more than two centuries of precedents supporting the private sector often beyond the welfare of the people. Not to mention a majority of five ideological conservatives to four progressive justices of the Supreme Court.

    And a barrage of private sector lobbyists on Capitol Hill 24/7 determined to keep the status quo permanent for their own corporate self interest. Medical service providers, health insurers, the pharmaceutical industry and trial lawyers.

    To further complicate it all is the political division within the Democratic Party. Those who continue to support and are pledged to "fix" the "Affordable Care Act", which appears to be failing in terms of outrageous and continuous increases in the cost of policy premiums and pharmaceutical products. Versus those within the party and in Congress who aren't afraid to aggressively advocate for a single payer healthcare system.

    Clearly it's an uphill battle politically and legally speaking. Especially given ideological and party loyalties nearly split down the middle in this country. Though if anything can eventually alter the equation, it may come from people who each year are having to pay more for their healthcare and getting less in return. To a point where even gainfully employed middle class Republicans can simply no longer afford healthcare insurance that under the provisions of the ACA is anything but "affordable".

    So how long Americans are willing to continue to suffer with the Affordable Care Act is anyone's guess. Especially while Republicans continue to try in earnest to repeal the ACA in its entirety, yet they simultaneously offer no alternative. Meanwhile politicians across the aisles argue their respective ideologies and political rituals above the welfare of the people with more people systematically exposed to less medical care for a price they can no longer afford.

    Though all this said, it's equally impossible to overlook a realistic pricetag for a single payer healthcare system as well. Likely to be in excess of $31 trillion. Which in itself may ultimately propose the greatest hurdles economically and politically. A very tall order. But then so was President Kennedy proclaiming the political will to put a man on the moon. IMO, if we can do that, we can do this too.
     
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    For such a powerful nation it's quite disappointing that the US doesn't have full paid public health care. Shame that you could go bankrupt after getting a simple medical procedure.
     
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    Luckily the new socialist government in this country introduced a NHS - style healthcare system, so all people now have access to health care. Before the govermnent introduced the new law, the unemployed (a large proportion of the population) didn't have access to healthcare (they had to pay for it themselves).
     
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