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A bit concerned about political instability in U.S.

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Wolfsage, Jan 11, 2021.

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  1. Wolfsage

    Wolfsage In training to be Wolf King.

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    I saw a lot over the last four years. I won't go into detail about the politics. Enough has been said about that. My concern is all the anger. I'm concerned it could erupt violently this year into war. What are your thoughts?
     
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    Finder Active Member

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    We still have a week or so to go and there have been threats of violence. But I admire you optimism where you are only a "bit" concerned...

    BTW, that anger has always been there. I would Google "Timothy McVeigh" and the Bundys.
     
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  3. BrokenBoy

    BrokenBoy 戯言使い(Nonsense User)

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    I hate these malcontents.
     
  4. Neonatal RRT

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    We have a population of folks that are sensitive to conspiracy theories. Disinformation and/or a conspiracy theory gives a better explanation, in their minds, than the truth. There have been examples of this phenomenon written in the literature going back hundreds of years. However, it has only been lately, with the advent of social media that folks of "like-mindedness" can gather, self reaffirm, learn of new conspiracy theories,...and become politically active,...and gather attention from the mainstream media,...and have political leaders "throwing gasoline on their fires" in order to consolidate a strong base of support for themselves. Autocratic individuals/dictators in power take full advantage of this in order to manipulate "the mob". These are the same poor folks that can be easily radicalized and manipulated into being terrorists under the guise of being "patriots". When they get arrested, they literally cannot understand why they are in the wrong,...the government is against them,...and makes them fight even harder and more violently in order to get the power back into the hands of the American people. It's a vicious cycle. I have been saying for the past 15 years to my sons,..."You will live through an American Revolution." This has only begun. I fully plan on domestic terrorist acts to continue for years to come. Law enforcement has got quite a challenge ahead of them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/.../202007/why-we-believe-in-conspiracy-theories

    I do like the idea of squelching the communication lines feeding these conspiracy theories and violent rhetoric. For every major social media outlet that shuts these people down,...it becomes a game of "Wack-a-Mole",...another media outlet pops up. So far, when dealing with privately owned companies, they can shut them down without the "freedom of speech" argument. However, all it would take is a privately owned company to create a social media outlet that supports their agenda and rhetoric,...but then the government may be able to step in if it deems it a source of "domestic terrorist threats". One thing the US has going for it is privately owned media,...and as such, they can, if they choose, shut down major communication lines. This means these folks will have to go into these smaller outlets, the dark web, etc,...where a lot of intelligence personnel,...and "weaponized autistics" are also found. I am optimistic that we can, if we choose to act, diminish the mob to smaller splinter groups.
     
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  5. Wolfsage

    Wolfsage In training to be Wolf King.

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    Wouldn't that throw more gasoline on the fire? I mean the interpretation would likely be spuelching of free speech. Though I do agree with you about the companies having the right to do as you say. Given it is their product.
     
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    BrokenBoy 戯言使い(Nonsense User)

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    Adding to this, the types of people in America who I am referring to are:
    • Socialists
    • Anarchists
    • People who claim monarchy is better than democracy
    • Luddites
    • Libetarians
    I really depise these kind of guys.
     
  7. Judge

    Judge Well-Known Member

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    American constitutional law goes far beyond any understanding of the Bill of Rights. Our actual rights are equally dependent upon the rule of precedent established not by our Founding Fathers, but rather those decisions derived in our highest courts which have evolved over the last 234 years.

    A critical aspect of the rule of law which is not being followed is when incendiary rhetoric becomes the proximate cause of an "imminent, lawless act". A point when freedom of speech is no longer legally acceptable or tolerable. That which is considered to reflect a "clear and present danger" to the nation that warrants a swift response from the Department of Justice and federal law enforcement. And in this case in particular, the United States Congress.

    Equally important for Americans to understand is that truly private media entities are not necessarily subject to following laws indicative of civil rights and civil liberties. Allowing them for better or worse, to independently function in a proprietary manner. "No shirt, no shoes, no service". And it gets even more complicated when such entities fundamentally do not serve the public who can openly practice overt discrimination against others.

    Tragically ignorance of our constitutional rights can set the stage for some very dangerous and highly illegal actions as we are seeing presently. That those who honestly believe in law and order must understand that they cannot indulge in anything that results in "imminent lawless acts" and should stand down.
     
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  8. Markness

    Markness Young God

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    Anarchists I especially agree on. They don’t get that without any laws, someone could just come to your house, kick your ass if you can’t fight back sufficiently, throw you out to die on the streets, and live there without any legal repercussions. I brought this up to one and she replied she had a lot of guns so no one was going to kick her out. But what’s stopping someone else from using guns on you? And you can’t call the police for help because there are none in an anarchist state.

    What I especially facepalm at, though, are those who say they hate capitalism but use iPhones and such. If you hate capitalism so much, take all the stuff you like using and smash it with a bat or something else blunt because capitalism gave them to you. If you lived in a place like Kazakhstan, you could get your iPhone taken away by the government if you say the wrong thing. My cousin had a friend who was an exchange student from Kazakhstan and he told her that the government there took his phone away a few times. Here, you can say close to anything you want and usually get away with it.

    I’ve even seen people with screen names like Return2Tr1balCulture or similar despite how they are using computers. Why are you advocating for tribal culture but using modern technology? *rolls eyes* I have Native American heritage and I know others with similar heritages like Taino (This friend is from Puerto Rico) but they are just fine living without tribal culture. In fact, they love it. My Puerto Rican friend collects toys and comics and his collections make mine look small.
     
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    Hell yeah. The only government/economic systems that work are capitalist representative democracies.
     
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    Markness Young God

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    This song gels with the topic.

     
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    Actually, socialist democracies tend to preform better. I give you Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland as examples.
     
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    Wolfsage In training to be Wolf King.

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    An excellent point. But, we've seen many recent examples where inspite of laws saying otherwise. People still committed acts unlawful. Then we're "perceived" to be allowed to indulge it due to party affiliation or an ideal. Without consequence.
     
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    One could have said the same about the town of Tombstone, Arizona in the 1880s. ;)

    Consequences are coming in accordance with constitutional regime change occurring on January 20th, 2021.

    A point in time when a sitting president will no longer be blowing his dog whistle to political extremists. When an independent DOJ will then have a clear path to prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law. No more congressional or executive obstruction compounded by constitutional confusion.
     
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  14. oregano

    oregano is plotting his escape

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    It's more than just politics. The planet's resources are just about exhausted, yet we are approaching 8 billion humans (only a few years ago we reached 7 billion!) who all depend on those resources for survival. The need for exponential economic growth to feed an exponentially growing population is about to smack up against the fact that we live on a finite planet that is running dry.

    People always say "well hmph they said that in the 70s and it didn't happen so it won't happen now" but they don't realize that the only thing that saved humanity was the unexpected discovery of supergiant oil fields in Alaska and the North Sea and to a lesser extent in Venezuela. That broke the oil cartel and allowed prices to fall. By this point most of the world has been explored and there are no more oil fields, supergiant or otherwise. Unexploited oil tends to be embedded in soil (Canada's tar sands) or shale (Bakken Formation in the US) that consumes nearly the amount of oil to get it out as it produces.

    Look up The Crash Course by Chris Martenson, he wrote in his book (now out of print but there are also videos) that almost nobody even attempted to dispute his conclusions, and those who did spewed propaganda rather than knowledge. The sudden frantic efforts a few years ago by the world's billionaires to build self-sufficient underground bunkers to live in permanently should have been a clear warning, but it was not, only to a few people like me. And of course I don't have that kind of money, so I did my best. I still don't know what I'll do without my meds. Anyway, what we are witnessing is humanity's last desperate attempt at survival before the final collapse.
     
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    Frankly, I’ve lost faith and respect in almost everything, given current events. I’m amazed that the federal government can still shell out the almost $1500 per month in disability, as well as provide housing and some semblance of medical assistance, something most of my relatives (and quite of few cro-magnams of all political persuasions) feel that people like me don’t deserve and should be left in the cold to die a miserable death.
     
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    AspieOtaku Leader of the otaku legion!

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    Why didn't Republicans present their evidence of voter fraud in the 60 different courts where they filed lawsuits?
     
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    I will just drop this here.
     
  19. AspieOtaku

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    The counties of wisconson and penssyvania they took to court with evidence but they are corrupt and biassed and over looked the evidence.
     
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    No, AspieOtaku. That is untrue. Trumpers presented hearsay - affidavits containing hearsay - in most, if not every one, of the 60 lawsuits that they filed. Hearsay is inadmissible in court. Hearsay is not "evidence". One judge noted that the affidavits were "hearsay within hearsay" (double hearsay).

    Our courts are not corrupt and they do not overlook evidence. If a court were to do that, the losing party would immediately file an appeal to the next higher court for review. One of Trump's cases made it to the US Supreme Court, one-third of which were judges appointed by Trump. His own hand-picked judges refused to rule in his favor.
     
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